Will Max crash into Lewis on the last race just to win?

[Carlososos]

Oilchange said:

Like it has been said a few times, if Max wins the title fairly then I can live with that but if he punts Lewis off deliberately he should be docked sufficient points to ensure he loses the championship.
Happy?

No. If he wins fairly it will be because his car is quicker. If his car is similar or can get close to Lewis or the other way round his true style will come out.

Even if he happens to win clean this race I won’t be happy. I just can’t stomach unfairness, unsporting behaviour and arrogance. One more clean win doesn’t undo the many races of petulance. You can’t reward those behaviours.

If it was the other way round I would be the same.

[menguin]

paulguitar said:

I appreciated the 'subtleties' might be lost on you a bit.

Incredible isn't it. When Autosport publish an open letter to Max asking him not to crash into Lewis, when the FIA are compelled to remind drivers of the same, when anyone with eyes and a knowledge of regs can see how Max repeatedly drives, yet still we have people that believe he can, and has never, done any wrong

[Milkyway]

I’ve got a gut feeling...
People are talking about this so much... that the inevitable is going to happen.

[glazbagun]

ddom said:

paulguitar said:

My objection to Max's clumsiness and lack of racing subtlety is really has nothing to do with Hamilton, or anyone else. If he continues with his buffoonery once Lewis has retired I am sure I will be of the same view.

IMO, your objection is because now there is a genuine challenger, and his 'style' doesn't fit your specific needs you're not happy.

Were you an fan of Dan Ticktum by any chance?

[Oilchange]

Carlososos said:

Oilchange said:

Like it has been said a few times, if Max wins the title fairly then I can live with that but if he punts Lewis off deliberately he should be docked sufficient points to ensure he loses the championship.
Happy?

No. If he wins fairly it will be because his car is quicker. If his car is similar or can get close to Lewis or the other way round his true style will come out.

Even if he happens to win clean this race I won’t be happy. I just can’t stomach unfairness, unsporting behaviour and arrogance. One more clean win doesn’t undo the many races of petulance. You can’t reward those behaviours.

If it was the other way round I would be the same.

Yeah, I more or less think the same actually, was just trying to be mr moderate. Can’t go around saying I hope he has an off and ends up in hospital though…

[ch37]

Although it's nothing new, the 4 minutes between 41-45 in this video is quite an eye opener when all the incidents are put together...



The behaviour has certainly been 'normalised' now through lack of action from the stewards and Lewis' willingness to avoid an accident, and I think it'll be hard to rein that in.

It's remarkably clever, I'll give Max that. He's found a balance between (not) being penalised, not crashing and taking a position. Yes it relies on the other driver having a sense of self-preservation, but his reputation has presumably put a doubt in the minds of any driver who finds themselves in that position with him.

[paulw123]

Let’s face it if the are both running p1&2 with a few laps to go the driver in p2 has nothing other than WCC points to lose

[PhilAsia]

ch37 said:

Although it's nothing new, the 4 minutes between 41-45 in this video is quite an eye opener when all the incidents are put together...



The behaviour has certainly been 'normalised' now through lack of action from the stewards and Lewis' willingness to avoid an accident, and I think it'll be hard to rein that in.

It's remarkably clever, I'll give Max that. He's found a balance between (not) being penalised, not crashing and taking a position. Yes it relies on the other driver having a sense of self-preservation, but his reputation has presumably put a doubt in the minds of any driver who finds themselves in that position with him.

This is what I have been saying since about his 2/3rd season. Crash and create the "race closely at your peril" with the non-WDC car, so that when you do have the WDC level car they avoid tangling with you... Clever and BS at the same time.

[Gary C]

ddom said:

IMO, your objection is because now there is a genuine challenger, and his 'style' doesn't fit your specific needs you're not happy.

Up until Brazil I might have agreed with you, but it was obvious that was beyond what is acceptable.

Then the last race and he has shown he doesn't deserve to win the WDC this year.

IF he races wheel to wheel in Abu Dhabi fairly and cleanly (which I doubt) and wins then he might just be able to regain some sort of credibility, but I doubt that too.

Max has been exciting. His ability to judge braking is superb which makes it even more obvious when he fails to make a corner.

If Hamilton wins this weekend, he truly will deserve it.

[Killer2005]

Gary C said:

ddom said:

IMO, your objection is because now there is a genuine challenger, and his 'style' doesn't fit your specific needs you're not happy.

Up until Brazil I might have agreed with you, but it was obvious that was beyond what is acceptable.

Then the last race and he has shown he doesn't deserve to win the WDC this year.

IF he races wheel to wheel in Abu Dhabi fairly and cleanly (which I doubt) and wins then he might just be able to regain some sort of credibility, but I doubt that too.

Max has been exciting. His ability to judge braking is superb which makes it even more obvious when he fails to make a corner.

Agreed. Up until Brazil, Max was mostly hard but fair, even brilliant at times, and I would have no issues with Max winning the championship. However at both Brazil and Saudi he went too far which has soured his season for me.

[PhilAsia]

Gary C said:

ddom said:

IMO, your objection is because now there is a genuine challenger, and his 'style' doesn't fit your specific needs you're not happy.

Up until Brazil I might have agreed with you, but it was obvious that was beyond what is acceptable.

Then the last race and he has shown he doesn't deserve to win the WDC this year.

IF he races wheel to wheel in Abu Dhabi fairly and cleanly (which I doubt) and wins then he might just be able to regain some sort of credibility, but I doubt that too.

Max has been exciting. His ability to judge braking is superb which makes it even more obvious when he fails to make a corner.

If Hamilton wins this weekend, he truly will deserve it.

Yup. Same as Schumi. Makes it even more unnecessary and irritatingly unsportsmanlike for me. As Martin Brundle once wrote (re MS in Evo(?) magazine) "his propensity to drive outside the bounds of what is reasonably accepted behavior was unsportsmanlike" (I haven't done MB any favours here, as when I read it I quoted it verbatim for a number of years...sadly my wotsitsname is not as it was. If anyone can quote the article I would appreciate it)

[Milkyway]

Worth a read: 10 Instances of cheating in F1.
( Hopefully no #11 this weekend)

https://www.essentiallysports.com/from-lewis-hamil...

Edited by Milkyway on Friday 10th December 17:28

[Gary C]

Milkyway said:

Worth a read: 10 Instances of cheating in F1.
( Hopefully no #11 this weekend)

https://www.essentiallysports.com/from-lewis-hamil...

Edited by Milkyway on Friday 10th December 17:28

Humm

It has Brawn's diffuser at number 8

Clever yes, loophole maybe, but certainly not cheating.

Its part of the essence of the sport.

Might as well call the F-duct cheating as well.

[Milkyway]

Apparently ... Any skullduggery this weekend, could lead to points deductions.
If it is deemed really serious, a disqualification from the Championship could be implemented.
So a driver(s) would lose all their WDC & constructor points too.
It’s getting serious now:

Max & Lewis both get disqualified & kicked out of Championship.
Valtteri becomes Champ & buggers off.

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 11th December 12:44

[Siao]

Gary C said:

Milkyway said:

Worth a read: 10 Instances of cheating in F1.
( Hopefully no #11 this weekend)

https://www.essentiallysports.com/from-lewis-hamil...

Edited by Milkyway on Friday 10th December 17:28

Humm

It has Brawn's diffuser at number 8

Clever yes, loophole maybe, but certainly not cheating.

Its part of the essence of the sport.

Might as well call the F-duct cheating as well.

Yeah, a few of these were not cheating, like the diffuser or the Austria team orders (they were legal back then). Funnily they omit other stuff from the past like the Tyrell's lead shot, water cooled brakes, etc.

[ch37]

Who would have predicted that an outcome that was arguably worse than a collision for the sport as a whole would have been the outcome!

[sparta6]

ch37 said:

Who would have predicted that an outcome that was arguably worse than a collision for the sport as a whole would have been the outcome!

Collision. Both DNF. Countback.

Liberty would love that.

[anonymous-user]

ch37 said:

Who would have predicted that an outcome that was arguably worse than a collision for the sport as a whole would have been the outcome!

there is a comment further up about the WDC being decided in a court room in 2022. Clearly someone has a crystal ball