The Triple Crown??
Discussion
eps said:
For as long as I remember it's been LM24 win, Monaco GP win, Indy500 win.
It's even got a wikipedia page!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Crown_of_Moto...
I think this is how most view it. It's even got a wikipedia page!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Crown_of_Moto...
pablo said:
I’d question the relevance of Monaco these days, in a Lotus 49 it was a different circuit, now it’s too narrow and won in qualifying. Both Panis and Trulli won it…
Practically all they won,,, Formula one is bigger , longer season & more valuable now than ever, drivers still skip out to do other races , Alonso, Hulkenberg, but the contracts of many probably don`t allow it, or they have no interest, will probably never happen again.
Will Lewis look at other forms of motorsport when he quits F1 ? I sort of doubt it, unless he thinks its fun. Will probably concentrate on the E side of thing or promoting diversity in motorsport..
hot metal said:
pablo said:
I’d question the relevance of Monaco these days, in a Lotus 49 it was a different circuit, now it’s too narrow and won in qualifying. Both Panis and Trulli won it…
Practically all they won,,, Formula one is bigger , longer season & more valuable now than ever, drivers still skip out to do other races , Alonso, Hulkenberg, but the contracts of many probably don`t allow it, or they have no interest, will probably never happen again.
Will Lewis look at other forms of motorsport when he quits F1 ? I sort of doubt it, unless he thinks its fun. Will probably concentrate on the E side of thing or promoting diversity in motorsport..
pablo said:
I’d question the relevance of Monaco these days, in a Lotus 49 it was a different circuit, now it’s too narrow and won in qualifying. Both Panis and Trulli won it…
A win is a win . No such thing as 'undeserving' - Ridnt didn't not deserve to win in 1970 , nor Beltoise in 72 and the same applies to Panis and Trulli . If you finish in front of the others you can hold your head high - even if you had good luck/best car/ best tyres etccoppice said:
pablo said:
I’d question the relevance of Monaco these days, in a Lotus 49 it was a different circuit, now it’s too narrow and won in qualifying. Both Panis and Trulli won it…
A win is a win . No such thing as 'undeserving' - Ridnt didn't not deserve to win in 1970 , nor Beltoise in 72 and the same applies to Panis and Trulli . If you finish in front of the others you can hold your head high - even if you had good luck/best car/ best tyres etccoppice said:
A win is a win . No such thing as 'undeserving' - Ridnt didn't not deserve to win in 1970 , nor Beltoise in 72 and the same applies to Panis and Trulli . If you finish in front of the others you can hold your head high - even if you had good luck/best car/ best tyres etc
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Rotary Potato said:
coppice said:
A win is a win . No such thing as 'undeserving' - Ridnt didn't not deserve to win in 1970 , nor Beltoise in 72 and the same applies to Panis and Trulli . If you finish in front of the others you can hold your head high - even if you had good luck/best car/ best tyres etc
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Rotary Potato said:
coppice said:
A win is a win . No such thing as 'undeserving' - Ridnt didn't not deserve to win in 1970 , nor Beltoise in 72 and the same applies to Panis and Trulli . If you finish in front of the others you can hold your head high - even if you had good luck/best car/ best tyres etc
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Halmyre said:
Rotary Potato said:
coppice said:
A win is a win . No such thing as 'undeserving' - Ridnt didn't not deserve to win in 1970 , nor Beltoise in 72 and the same applies to Panis and Trulli . If you finish in front of the others you can hold your head high - even if you had good luck/best car/ best tyres etc
Spa 2021? When did the concept of the Triple Crown first appear? Was it talked about before Hill achieved it, or only after it was done? It certainly hasn't been around 'forever' (forever in motorsport terms, not overall history, obviously) as those events included weren't especially unique or lauded as the Blue Ribband events until some time after each became established. There was even a few years in the 1950s when the Monaco race was just a minor sports car race, and not even part of the World Championship, so it wasn't part of any Triple Crown then, and in F1 it wasn't even called the Monaco GP or GP de Monaco until 1966. Prior to that it was the GP d'Europe.
I would guess that it originated when the Brits started going to Indy in the 1960s, as there was almost no crossover between European and American racing before then, and the few American drivers who had made it to Europe had come from a sportscar background rather than Indycar.
I would guess that it originated when the Brits started going to Indy in the 1960s, as there was almost no crossover between European and American racing before then, and the few American drivers who had made it to Europe had come from a sportscar background rather than Indycar.
thegreenhell said:
I would guess that it originated when the Brits started going to Indy in the 1960s, as there was almost no crossover between European and American racing before then, and the few American drivers who had made it to Europe had come from a sportscar background rather than Indycar.
Dan Gurney is the standout at this time, getting his Ferrari drive in the late 50'sWHAT a driver.
I think GreenHell is right. I first heard the expression , or rather read it in Autosport etc, in the early 70s . It was certainly widely adopted after Graham Hill won Le Mans , achieving the triple crown in the process . After being the King of Monaco (and often termed as such ) and with the Indy win he was rightly accoladed. But I suspect the term was around in the early 60s , from when the Lotus 29 rocked the Indy establishment i 1963 . Had it been later , I'd have expected Can Am triumphs to have featured.
thegreenhell said:
When did the concept of the Triple Crown first appear? Was it talked about before Hill achieved it, or only after it was done? It certainly hasn't been around 'forever' (forever in motorsport terms, not overall history, obviously) as those events included weren't especially unique or lauded as the Blue Ribband events until some time after each became established. There was even a few years in the 1950s when the Monaco race was just a minor sports car race, and not even part of the World Championship, so it wasn't part of any Triple Crown then, and in F1 it wasn't even called the Monaco GP or GP de Monaco until 1966. Prior to that it was the GP d'Europe.
I would guess that it originated when the Brits started going to Indy in the 1960s, as there was almost no crossover between European and American racing before then, and the few American drivers who had made it to Europe had come from a sportscar background rather than Indycar.
I agree, some motoring journalist picked up on it after Hill`s 24 hour win in 1972, looking for an angle obviously. It was worthy of note and I imagine it was much debated at the time. Many references to Hill will always touch on it as it made him a standout driver, nobody else has done it. Good on you Graham.I would guess that it originated when the Brits started going to Indy in the 1960s, as there was almost no crossover between European and American racing before then, and the few American drivers who had made it to Europe had come from a sportscar background rather than Indycar.
But sometimes it is mentioned where other drivers come close, J Villenueve ( WDC not Monaco) Alonso ,(he is aware of it & considers it an honour) & Mario, Indy, WDC, class win at Le Mans (2nd)(no Monaco, think he was only there 5 or 6 times)
Mario`s record is under appreciated here, like Hill, largely ignored when it comes to the greats but his achievements are outstanding.
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