Mohammed ben Sulayem
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I disagree that F1 racing used to be better in the 'golden years', whenever they were supposed to be; often when the poster started watching F1.
We now have the situation of F1 going back to the golden years of F1 management, in the great tradition of Mosley and Balestra, when running the sport was synonymous with running the races.
We now have the situation of F1 going back to the golden years of F1 management, in the great tradition of Mosley and Balestra, when running the sport was synonymous with running the races.
Derek Smith said:
I disagree that F1 racing used to be better in the 'golden years', whenever they were supposed to be; often when the poster started watching F1.
We now have the situation of F1 going back to the golden years of F1 management, in the great tradition of Mosley and Balestra, when running the sport was synonymous with running the races.
F1 was better when it was just a bunch of posh white blokes trying to convince us that a fairly mundane sport was actually glamourous. The downside is that the world believed them, and it attracted the attention of lots of crooked and disreputable people.We now have the situation of F1 going back to the golden years of F1 management, in the great tradition of Mosley and Balestra, when running the sport was synonymous with running the races.
The difference now is the teams themselves are in it for the profit from racing. They don't expect racing to cost them any money. One or two of the stragglers at the back may still be putting hands in pockets, but the others are showing significant operating profits in their accounts. On top of that you have the expectation that even the pants teams are suddenly worth quarter of a billion plus.
The whole sport has reversed from being a perversely expensive way of proving you can build the fastest endurance prototype racer on the planet, to being the cheapest method of global marketing on the planet. The sport now is, frankly, s
t to watch.
The whole sport has reversed from being a perversely expensive way of proving you can build the fastest endurance prototype racer on the planet, to being the cheapest method of global marketing on the planet. The sport now is, frankly, s
t to watch.Forester1965 said:
The difference now is the teams themselves are in it for the profit from racing. They don't expect racing to cost them any money. One or two of the stragglers at the back may still be putting hands in pockets, but the others are showing significant operating profits in their accounts. On top of that you have the expectation that even the pants teams are suddenly worth quarter of a billion plus.
The whole sport has reversed from being a perversely expensive way of proving you can build the fastest endurance prototype racer on the planet, to being the cheapest method of global marketing on the planet. The sport now is, frankly, st to watch.
I'm looking forward to them getting electric motors. That'll really put the soul back into it.The whole sport has reversed from being a perversely expensive way of proving you can build the fastest endurance prototype racer on the planet, to being the cheapest method of global marketing on the planet. The sport now is, frankly, s
t to watch.Rumdoodle said:
I'm looking forward to them getting electric motors. That'll really put the soul back into it.
Moving that way quicker than I thought - as of 2026 the ICE part of the powertrain will put out just ~550hp, leading to a situation where the most powerful cars will be getting half their power from the electric motor.Luckily for F1, that's about as far as it can possibly go until denser batteries are invented, less than half the power from the engine just isn't possible to go a GP distance at respectable lap times yet. Although there's a good chance the resultant 2026 cars will be overall slower on most laps than todays cars.
On the upside, the cars will have to become quite a bit lighter than at present and also should sound better - but definitely not as good as the old V10's or 12's...
TheDeuce said:
Rumdoodle said:
I'm looking forward to them getting electric motors. That'll really put the soul back into it.
Moving that way quicker than I thought - as of 2026 the ICE part of the powertrain will put out just ~550hp, leading to a situation where the most powerful cars will be getting half their power from the electric motor.Luckily for F1, that's about as far as it can possibly go until denser batteries are invented, less than half the power from the engine just isn't possible to go a GP distance at respectable lap times yet. Although there's a good chance the resultant 2026 cars will be overall slower on most laps than todays cars.
On the upside, the cars will have to become quite a bit lighter than at present and also should sound better - but definitely not as good as the old V10's or 12's...
Thirty years ago, so many races had half or more of the leading contenders breaking down, or running our of fuel, and the ones that got to the flag were so exhausted they'd lost control of their bodily functions. For spectators, the air was sweet with the smell of jungle juice, you spent two hours not knowing what the f
k was going on, especially at Silverstone where it was usually raining so hard you went temporarily blind, and you went home with permanent hearing damage - assuming you'd found a rapacious local farmhand to tow your Hillman Tippex out of the village bog.These days, to compensate for the utter dullness, the F1 broadcasters run banal segments where plastic monkeys like Lando Norris and Daniel Ricciardo are given hilarious challenges like, "Describe your team-mate in one word!"
I'd have loved to hear the likes of Mansell, Senna and Piquet do that.....
Forester1965 said:
So sad watching the cars from the mid-naughties being hustled around the track. Like suddenly remembering a long forgotten sojourn with a feisty young lover as you sit down for dinner with your grumpy old wife.
Anyway. Where were we?
You don’t even need to go that far back. I was at a clienti corse event at yas recently where someone had brought along the 2014 f1 car, last of the v8’s. Standing in the pits you could hear it at all points of the lap and even tell which corner it was at, very angry thing! Also tiny, a modern f3 is bigger. Albeit the period where we had tall, narrow rear wings wasn’t an aesthetic high point imo. Anyway. Where were we?
The early Ferrari hybrids did sound great when KERS harvesting, like a tie fighter almost.
MBS has cleared himself of any wrongdoing in the two complaints made against him
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-investigati...
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-investigati...
thegreenhell said:
MBS has cleared himself of any wrongdoing in the two complaints made against him
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-investigati...
They have reviewed the evidence - of which, I assume, there is none. Hard to prove spoken words were spoken!https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-investigati...
Hardly a surprise.
Forester1965 said:
The difference now is the teams themselves are in it for the profit from racing. They don't expect racing to cost them any money. One or two of the stragglers at the back may still be putting hands in pockets, but the others are showing significant operating profits in their accounts. On top of that you have the expectation that even the pants teams are suddenly worth quarter of a billion plus.
The whole sport has reversed from being a perversely expensive way of proving you can build the fastest endurance prototype racer on the planet, to being the cheapest method of global marketing on the planet. The sport now is, frankly, st to watch.
Its no longer sport, just entertainment.The whole sport has reversed from being a perversely expensive way of proving you can build the fastest endurance prototype racer on the planet, to being the cheapest method of global marketing on the planet. The sport now is, frankly, s
t to watch.Wolff takes legal action after conflict of interest inquiry -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68615850
It ain't over til it's over.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68615850
It ain't over til it's over.....
Quite. We need a thread that combines the red bull machinations as well as the FIA ones. It seems there’s power plays all over the shop.
As for this one, why was the investigation (wrongly according to their own rules) carried out by the ethics committee and not the senate?
"ETHICS COMMITTEE
In order to safeguard the integrity and reputation of motor sport and automobile mobility and tourism worldwide, the 2012 General Assembly adopted a Code of Ethics and established an Ethics Committee within the FIA.
Upon complaints from one of the FIA Parties or Third Parties (as defined in Article 18.2.1 and 18.2.2 of the FIA Statutes) regarding any alleged breach of the ethical principles as contained in the FIA Statutes, International Sporting Code and Regulations, or on its own initiative, the Ethics Committee investigates and assesses the given situation and submits a report to the President of the FIA, who may decide to take any further action. A copy of this report will be submitted to the members of the FIA Senate, the complainant and the person implicated for information.
In compliance with the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, in the event that the President of the FIA or any other person appearing on the presidential list (Article 9.4 of the FIA Statutes) is the subject of an investigation, the report will be submitted to the Senate, who may decide to take any further action. A copy of this report will be submitted to the complainant and the person implicated for information."
“2.2.4.a The EC is not a judicial or disciplinary body; as a result it does not issue any decision but only recommendations."
As for this one, why was the investigation (wrongly according to their own rules) carried out by the ethics committee and not the senate?
"ETHICS COMMITTEE
In order to safeguard the integrity and reputation of motor sport and automobile mobility and tourism worldwide, the 2012 General Assembly adopted a Code of Ethics and established an Ethics Committee within the FIA.
Upon complaints from one of the FIA Parties or Third Parties (as defined in Article 18.2.1 and 18.2.2 of the FIA Statutes) regarding any alleged breach of the ethical principles as contained in the FIA Statutes, International Sporting Code and Regulations, or on its own initiative, the Ethics Committee investigates and assesses the given situation and submits a report to the President of the FIA, who may decide to take any further action. A copy of this report will be submitted to the members of the FIA Senate, the complainant and the person implicated for information.
In compliance with the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, in the event that the President of the FIA or any other person appearing on the presidential list (Article 9.4 of the FIA Statutes) is the subject of an investigation, the report will be submitted to the Senate, who may decide to take any further action. A copy of this report will be submitted to the complainant and the person implicated for information."
“2.2.4.a The EC is not a judicial or disciplinary body; as a result it does not issue any decision but only recommendations."
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