Mohammed ben Sulayem
Discussion
Leithen said:
I think you should write a book Derek.
But you ought to put a disclaimer in the foreword that you still haven’t got over the McLaren fine.
To be fair, it's not only the Stepneygate fiasco. There were other outrageous moves pulled by Mosley, and just as warped. The Benetton fire and the deal with Carmen is probably worse. Also, anyone who takes a vanload of offensive weapons to a demonstration should not be allowed to negotiate in sport. But you ought to put a disclaimer in the foreword that you still haven’t got over the McLaren fine.
He milked Senna's death for all it was worth, yet that weekend was on his watch. He had some front.
I would not put a disclaimer. I'd claim that I think so much of the sport that I still cannot forgive such machinations.
I'm going to run a page on my website next season, dedicated to F1. I ran a few F1 fanzines, back in the early 2000s. Quite successful for their time. My hosting service, and me, got threatening emails from someone purporting to be from the FIA twice, and I had to close two of them. If you ever run out of bile, sarcasm, fury, irony or frustration, it'll be the go-to place.
MitchT said:
I don't think the FIA would care if Lewis left. I've been watching F1 for the best part of four decades and this is far from the first time that the governing body have done something biased or catastrophically stupid and then carried on like their s
t doesn't smell. I just think Lewis would find more peace if he turned his back on it all. After all, how do you wholeheartedly commit every last drop if your energy to something for a 20+ race season when you know that some cockwomble might unilaterally vary the rules on the penultimate lap of the final race and cheat you out of everything you've spend the whole season earning?
I think you are right. The FIA might even be pleased to be rid of this troublesome driver. I'm not sure they'd be fully supported in such a move by Liberty though. RB would have the field to themselves. It would be a walkover, and there would be no intra-team competition. Just what the fans don't want. t doesn't smell. I just think Lewis would find more peace if he turned his back on it all. After all, how do you wholeheartedly commit every last drop if your energy to something for a 20+ race season when you know that some cockwomble might unilaterally vary the rules on the penultimate lap of the final race and cheat you out of everything you've spend the whole season earning?LH is the face of F1. They can use him as their trump card of being inclusive, or at least as inclusive as any all-male club can be. He has, I'm told, a world-wide following. He's introduced a lot of people to the sport, somewhat outside the normal demographic to put it diplomatically. If he goes, especially in a huff, so will a lot of them. Some will stay, maybe even the majority, as it has been an especially thrilling season, final denouement excepted of course. Let’s hope they don’t expect it every season.
I’m not a supporter of individual drivers, but a team, something I’ve hidden well over the years, but I’d be sad to see him go. I’ve followed his through his time in F1, going from the rather precocious newbie in his first season, taking a great car to his WDC, his battles the following, his move, bewildering though it was, to Merc and the subsequent success, with some awe-inspiring drives. He’s matured well, but I’m worried that with this maturity will come a realisation that sometimes it’s just not worth the bother for just one more WDC.
I’ll be furious. See my webpage for just how furious I’ll be.
hot metal said:
Callum43 said:
So we enter a new era of the FIA with a Saudi and Ecclestone connection. What can possibly prevent open and transparent dealings to be the norm now. Let’s hope the new dawn of rule making and adherence is as far away from my expectations as it can possibly be for the sake of all concerned. The first statement issued confirms my scepticism.
Sulayem is from UAE, if that helps.You know, Dubai, where some people actually go for a holiday
Edited by hot metal on Saturday 18th December 15:17
Edited by hot metal on Saturday 18th December 15:17
Derek Smith said:
MitchT said:
I don't think the FIA would care if Lewis left. I've been watching F1 for the best part of four decades and this is far from the first time that the governing body have done something biased or catastrophically stupid and then carried on like their st doesn't smell. I just think Lewis would find more peace if he turned his back on it all. After all, how do you wholeheartedly commit every last drop if your energy to something for a 20+ race season when you know that some cockwomble might unilaterally vary the rules on the penultimate lap of the final race and cheat you out of everything you've spend the whole season earning?
I think you are right. The FIA might even be pleased to be rid of this troublesome driver. I'm not sure they'd be fully supported in such a move by Liberty though. RB would have the field to themselves. It would be a walkover, and there would be no intra-team competition. Just what the fans don't want. t doesn't smell. I just think Lewis would find more peace if he turned his back on it all. After all, how do you wholeheartedly commit every last drop if your energy to something for a 20+ race season when you know that some cockwomble might unilaterally vary the rules on the penultimate lap of the final race and cheat you out of everything you've spend the whole season earning?LH is the face of F1. They can use him as their trump card of being inclusive, or at least as inclusive as any all-male club can be. He has, I'm told, a world-wide following. He's introduced a lot of people to the sport, somewhat outside the normal demographic to put it diplomatically. If he goes, especially in a huff, so will a lot of them. Some will stay, maybe even the majority, as it has been an especially thrilling season, final denouement excepted of course. Let’s hope they don’t expect it every season.
I’m not a supporter of individual drivers, but a team, something I’ve hidden well over the years, but I’d be sad to see him go. I’ve followed his through his time in F1, going from the rather precocious newbie in his first season, taking a great car to his WDC, his battles the following, his move, bewildering though it was, to Merc and the subsequent success, with some awe-inspiring drives. He’s matured well, but I’m worried that with this maturity will come a realisation that sometimes it’s just not worth the bother for just one more WDC.
I’ll be furious. See my webpage for just how furious I’ll be.
hot metal said:
So Christian, Geri, Bernie & Fabiana are all big buddies now, holidaying together in Croatia etc. Now Fabiana is Vice FIA President, how does that look ??
She was on the MSC when Bernie first met her in 2009, she is not his puppet in the FIA.This is a very xenophobic thread.
Ben Sulayem is incredibly wealthy in his own right just like Mosley was, that why he could afford Dave Richards when he competed in Group B of the Middle East Rally Championship during the 1980s
I am going to assume that this thread is mostly populated by curmudgeonly old men. There's a lot of bitterness and salt coming across about the good old days.
To direct your ire at the FIA for using Middle Eastern countries with dodgy human rights records is a bit off. If you remember the FIA let a small man sell F1 to himself even though it wasn't his to sell. Liberty now hold all those cards and do the negotiating of TV and venue deals, All the FIA does is administrate it. I don't think they have veto on where the races are held? And similarly, the FIA would I think support the comments that LH makes, and his diversity agenda, its very now and bridges a gap that they would not otherwise be able to fill. They don't in all honesty want LH gone, he is the biggest name and sells the sport. Liberty likewise.
As for Bin ( Ben?) Sulayam, a rally driver of some repute and a dominant force in the MERC. It is true that the vast majority of his competitors were competing in self built Nissan Patrols whilst he was in a full works Porsche but he did have Saeed Al Hajri to compete against who was Saudi Royalty I believe. So not short of a bob or two. A Middle Eastern McRae/Brookes type scenario would be fair I think.
I also think it might be better for the sport to be run by someone one who is not obsessed with F1, who may not devote all his time and resources to officiating it. In reality F1 is so big that the natural position will be F1, then whatever else. But we need someone who can increase the profile of other world championships not least of which is the WRC, whilst increasing participation at all levels and fighting off the environmental concerns.
He is not responsible for his countries human rights record, and the comments about LH and non attendance are pretty much all he can say for now. He hasn't given LH a penalty and probably won't.
In summary it's day 1 of his tenure, lets see how things are in 12 months....
To direct your ire at the FIA for using Middle Eastern countries with dodgy human rights records is a bit off. If you remember the FIA let a small man sell F1 to himself even though it wasn't his to sell. Liberty now hold all those cards and do the negotiating of TV and venue deals, All the FIA does is administrate it. I don't think they have veto on where the races are held? And similarly, the FIA would I think support the comments that LH makes, and his diversity agenda, its very now and bridges a gap that they would not otherwise be able to fill. They don't in all honesty want LH gone, he is the biggest name and sells the sport. Liberty likewise.
As for Bin ( Ben?) Sulayam, a rally driver of some repute and a dominant force in the MERC. It is true that the vast majority of his competitors were competing in self built Nissan Patrols whilst he was in a full works Porsche but he did have Saeed Al Hajri to compete against who was Saudi Royalty I believe. So not short of a bob or two. A Middle Eastern McRae/Brookes type scenario would be fair I think.
I also think it might be better for the sport to be run by someone one who is not obsessed with F1, who may not devote all his time and resources to officiating it. In reality F1 is so big that the natural position will be F1, then whatever else. But we need someone who can increase the profile of other world championships not least of which is the WRC, whilst increasing participation at all levels and fighting off the environmental concerns.
He is not responsible for his countries human rights record, and the comments about LH and non attendance are pretty much all he can say for now. He hasn't given LH a penalty and probably won't.
In summary it's day 1 of his tenure, lets see how things are in 12 months....
Edited by Dynion Araf Uchaf on Saturday 18th December 18:09
It’s not xenophobic at all, no one cares where either Ben Sulayen or Fabiana Flosi are from, unless xenophobic wasn’t what you meant?
You can’t expect anyone to not think that a Bernie helped Fabiana’s rise to VP though; nor that Ben Sulayen’s appointment isn’t a nod to opening up more of the Middle East market for F1 or as a result of some persistent lobbying (you said he was wealthy right?!) I’m sure he’s a nice guy, his first statements ref Hamilton non attendance seem at odds with his pre-election promises though.
Just look at FIFA around 2015, that’s how the FIA are going, only subject to internal scrutiny, host nations with no grass roots/National series, heavy investment in underdeveloped regions, hugely complicated and personnel heavy organisation structure….
I’m sure you’ll be the champion for equality and diversity when a former pop singer from Watford with no racing experience, who just happens to be married to a team owner, ends up with a role in the FIA….
You can’t expect anyone to not think that a Bernie helped Fabiana’s rise to VP though; nor that Ben Sulayen’s appointment isn’t a nod to opening up more of the Middle East market for F1 or as a result of some persistent lobbying (you said he was wealthy right?!) I’m sure he’s a nice guy, his first statements ref Hamilton non attendance seem at odds with his pre-election promises though.
Just look at FIFA around 2015, that’s how the FIA are going, only subject to internal scrutiny, host nations with no grass roots/National series, heavy investment in underdeveloped regions, hugely complicated and personnel heavy organisation structure….
I’m sure you’ll be the champion for equality and diversity when a former pop singer from Watford with no racing experience, who just happens to be married to a team owner, ends up with a role in the FIA….
pablo said:
Just look at FIFA around 2015, that’s how the FIA are going, only subject to internal scrutiny, host nations with no grass roots/National series, heavy investment in underdeveloped regions, hugely complicated and personnel heavy organisation structure….
The only problem with this is that Todt appears to have done a pretty good job over the last 12 years. Sepp Blatter he is not.So Sulayem steps into an organisation that is in relatively good order regardless of whether its structure could benefit from reform.
If anyone is expecting some form of open, public, truth commission stemming from what has passed over the last few weeks will probably be disappointed however. That's just not how these organisations function.
Wolff knows this. He's attempting to play a longer game.
rdjohn said:
She was on the MSC when Bernie first met her in 2009, she is not his puppet in the FIA.
This is a very xenophobic thread.
Ben Sulayem is incredibly wealthy in his own right just like Mosley was, that why he could afford Dave Richards when he competed in Group B of the Middle East Rally Championship during the 1980s
I suppose you know the meaning of the word, ?? the discussion is a question of, are the people in charge competent, now I do not see how that is xenophobic, just because someone is called Mohammed ? he could be anybody`s next door neighbour, are just scrutinizing every word looking for the slightest shred of racism, not from me . This is a very xenophobic thread.
Ben Sulayem is incredibly wealthy in his own right just like Mosley was, that why he could afford Dave Richards when he competed in Group B of the Middle East Rally Championship during the 1980s
As for Mrs Ecclestone, I can`t help feeling there is a conflict of interest somewhere, I doubt she will be calling many shots but who knows. I have no idea where she comes from either and care less.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
In summary it's day 1 of his tenure, lets see how things are in 12 months....
I don’t give a stuff where he’s from. Someone competent, unbiased, and willing to fix the very clear problems that exist, would be a great start…and then on day 1, his very first public comment cited ‘rules are rules’ specifically about the very person who’s just been royally f**ked over by the FIA’s blatant inability to follow those same damn rules.Read. The. Room.
GCH said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
In summary it's day 1 of his tenure, lets see how things are in 12 months....
I don’t give a stuff where he’s from. Someone competent, unbiased, and willing to fix the very clear problems that exist, would be a great start…and then on day 1, his very first public comment cited ‘rules are rules’ specifically about the very person who’s just been royally f**ked over by the FIA’s blatant inability to follow those same damn rules.Read. The. Room.
simonw67 said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I am going to assume that this thread is mostly populated by curmudgeonly old men. There's a lot of bitterness and salt coming across about the good old days.
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Thank you for the briefing you young optimistic, happy, young man. ]
On a point of DAU's: there was a lot of fuss about F1 going to SA at a time of heightened tension regarding apartheid. I was a member of a group of F1 fans and it was the subject of a discussion in pubs a number of times. There were none in favour. If you look at the threads when Russia was proposed, I think you’ll find most were against it. The ages of those who criticised the move are unknown.
It’s a shame that some people find nothing wrong in posting ageist diatribes on a PH thread. You’d think they’d know better, or have some respect for those of us who know whereof we post.
The good old days never existed, that much in certain. Some of us were hoping for change from the bad old days. The bad old FIA,
Recent statement:
“We will look into the rules and we are sure that, if any situation like this occurs in the future, we will have an instant solution for it,” said Sulayem. “Or we avoid it even. There are so many areas that we can improve. We cannot just sit and say we are good. No, it’s not enough in a sport as heavy, I would say, and as important as F1. Why do we jump? We’ll have to actually look into the matter.
“But I definitely will not just jump to a conclusion on decisions without going back to my team. If you talk to me about the credibility of the FIA, yes, we lie on good structures, and with good teams. But there is always a place for improvement. We just have to look where can we improve. One thing is that I will devote myself, and I am not going to have any other job except being the President of the FIA.
“I stepped down from all of my other responsibilities. I am not going to do anything else. And I’m not going to be a burden on the FIA. I will concentrate with passion, with the right team, and I have a good team, and we are asking for even a better team. So this is why the FIA is credible,” summed Sulayem.
Well that clears it up...
“We will look into the rules and we are sure that, if any situation like this occurs in the future, we will have an instant solution for it,” said Sulayem. “Or we avoid it even. There are so many areas that we can improve. We cannot just sit and say we are good. No, it’s not enough in a sport as heavy, I would say, and as important as F1. Why do we jump? We’ll have to actually look into the matter.
“But I definitely will not just jump to a conclusion on decisions without going back to my team. If you talk to me about the credibility of the FIA, yes, we lie on good structures, and with good teams. But there is always a place for improvement. We just have to look where can we improve. One thing is that I will devote myself, and I am not going to have any other job except being the President of the FIA.
“I stepped down from all of my other responsibilities. I am not going to do anything else. And I’m not going to be a burden on the FIA. I will concentrate with passion, with the right team, and I have a good team, and we are asking for even a better team. So this is why the FIA is credible,” summed Sulayem.
Well that clears it up...
Tony33 said:
Recent statement:
“We will look into the rules and we are sure that, if any situation like this occurs in the future, we will have an instant solution for it,” said Sulayem. “Or we avoid it even. There are so many areas that we can improve. We cannot just sit and say we are good. No, it’s not enough in a sport as heavy, I would say, and as important as F1. Why do we jump? We’ll have to actually look into the matter.
“But I definitely will not just jump to a conclusion on decisions without going back to my team. If you talk to me about the credibility of the FIA, yes, we lie on good structures, and with good teams. But there is always a place for improvement. We just have to look where can we improve. One thing is that I will devote myself, and I am not going to have any other job except being the President of the FIA.
“I stepped down from all of my other responsibilities. I am not going to do anything else. And I’m not going to be a burden on the FIA. I will concentrate with passion, with the right team, and I have a good team, and we are asking for even a better team. So this is why the FIA is credible,” summed Sulayem.
Well that clears it up...
I couldn't read that without hearing Trump's voice in my heard. Urggh, pass me the mind bleach“We will look into the rules and we are sure that, if any situation like this occurs in the future, we will have an instant solution for it,” said Sulayem. “Or we avoid it even. There are so many areas that we can improve. We cannot just sit and say we are good. No, it’s not enough in a sport as heavy, I would say, and as important as F1. Why do we jump? We’ll have to actually look into the matter.
“But I definitely will not just jump to a conclusion on decisions without going back to my team. If you talk to me about the credibility of the FIA, yes, we lie on good structures, and with good teams. But there is always a place for improvement. We just have to look where can we improve. One thing is that I will devote myself, and I am not going to have any other job except being the President of the FIA.
“I stepped down from all of my other responsibilities. I am not going to do anything else. And I’m not going to be a burden on the FIA. I will concentrate with passion, with the right team, and I have a good team, and we are asking for even a better team. So this is why the FIA is credible,” summed Sulayem.
Well that clears it up...
Tony33 said:
Recent statement:
“We will look into the rules and we are sure that, if any situation like this occurs in the future, we will have an instant solution for it,” said Sulayem. “Or we avoid it even. There are so many areas that we can improve. We cannot just sit and say we are good. No, it’s not enough in a sport as heavy, I would say, and as important as F1. Why do we jump? We’ll have to actually look into the matter.
“But I definitely will not just jump to a conclusion on decisions without going back to my team. If you talk to me about the credibility of the FIA, yes, we lie on good structures, and with good teams. But there is always a place for improvement. We just have to look where can we improve. One thing is that I will devote myself, and I am not going to have any other job except being the President of the FIA.
“I stepped down from all of my other responsibilities. I am not going to do anything else. And I’m not going to be a burden on the FIA. I will concentrate with passion, with the right team, and I have a good team, and we are asking for even a better team. So this is why the FIA is credible,” summed Sulayem.
Well that clears it up...
Crikey me. Talk about a lot of talk about a lot of talk that doesn’t mean a single thing. “We will look into the rules and we are sure that, if any situation like this occurs in the future, we will have an instant solution for it,” said Sulayem. “Or we avoid it even. There are so many areas that we can improve. We cannot just sit and say we are good. No, it’s not enough in a sport as heavy, I would say, and as important as F1. Why do we jump? We’ll have to actually look into the matter.
“But I definitely will not just jump to a conclusion on decisions without going back to my team. If you talk to me about the credibility of the FIA, yes, we lie on good structures, and with good teams. But there is always a place for improvement. We just have to look where can we improve. One thing is that I will devote myself, and I am not going to have any other job except being the President of the FIA.
“I stepped down from all of my other responsibilities. I am not going to do anything else. And I’m not going to be a burden on the FIA. I will concentrate with passion, with the right team, and I have a good team, and we are asking for even a better team. So this is why the FIA is credible,” summed Sulayem.
Well that clears it up...
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