Christian Horner
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thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Albon is on record admitting he cannot drive a RedBull as quickly as Max. Neither can Perez.Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Red Bull drop down the grid instantly if they lose Max.
Good news for the Tifosi
Evercross said:
520TORQUES said:
If you were being put under pressure in the manner seen in those messages, it would be normal and advisable to start recording them every time they occured.
Yeah, but the recording started WAAAY before the chain of conversation suggested that one party was putting pressure on another. As many have now observed, this looks very much like pre-emptive behaviour.Either the person who took the screenshots was clairvoyant, or kept the conversation going in anticipation of a potentially damaging response.
Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 5th March 15:50
Was it waaaaay before she told him to stop?
cuprabob said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Kart16 said:
Nelson Piquet Junior, who is a friend of Max, said yesterday that it's Jos that is creating all this rife with Horner. He said that Max and his manager have nothing wrong with Horner, apart from a small issue of image commercial usage that Max would like to change.
THIS Nelson Piquet Junior? 
Bo_apex said:
thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Albon is on record admitting he cannot drive a RedBull as quickly as Max. Neither can Perez.Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Red Bull drop down the grid instantly if they lose Max.
Good news for the Tifosi
Max does come across like he isn’t that fussed sometimes and may just wander off to do other motorsports sooner rather than later.
EddieSteadyGo said:
moorx said:
A link to that photo was posted quite some time ago. I looked at it then and thought 'so what?' and still do.
I'm female, and my dad and I used to walk like that sometimes. It doesn't look particularly 'intimate' or 'flirty' to me.
We have been round this loop already. The papers were originally describing the relationship between FH and Jos as being "very friendly" and "cosy", common euphemisms when they want to say it is something more serious (but they don't want to get sued). More latterly, they have been referred directly to a relationship between the FH and "another" (unnamed) senior person involved with Red Bull racing, which they say isn't Horner.I'm female, and my dad and I used to walk like that sometimes. It doesn't look particularly 'intimate' or 'flirty' to me.
So seems most likely the "other" person is Jos.
p1stonhead said:
Bo_apex said:
thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Albon is on record admitting he cannot drive a RedBull as quickly as Max. Neither can Perez.Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Red Bull drop down the grid instantly if they lose Max.
Good news for the Tifosi
Max does come across like he isn’t that fussed sometimes and may just wander off to do other motorsports sooner rather than later.
Max just gets on with the job that he's paid to do, and doesn't naval gaze or talk about "achieving greatness" .
Unlike a certain other WDC
EddieSteadyGo said:
thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
....
I wonder if they have reasonable grounds to suggest FH was involved with the leak? ....
Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
Altrezia said:
F1-insider reporting the PA has been let go..
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-bull-horner-ve...
Can't be real right, they'd be right in the s
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Sodom and Gomorrah? What aren't they telling us?https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-bull-horner-ve...
Can't be real right, they'd be right in the s
tLike you, I find this difficult to believe unless she has resigned. Easier to prove constructive dismissal.
Bo_apex said:
thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Albon is on record admitting he cannot drive a RedBull as quickly as Max. Neither can Perez.Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Red Bull drop down the grid instantly if they lose Max.
Good news for the Tifosi
Albon and Perez in the RB would see Albon WDC.
Max is fussed about this and will have already taken sides - his dad’s. But he’s also clever to know that RBR are king makers and could just as easily switch attention to Checco for 24, Sainz for 2025 and beyond. RBR don’t need Max - they’ve got a rocket ship and no one person is bigger than the team. Max knows this as does Jos, so they’ll push the boundaries but ultimately step back from the precipice.
RBR for their part should ban Jos from stepping anywhere near their team and put Max in his place, or else.
Horner, I don’t like the man, I despise him, but he has taken that team from nothing to world domination - he is worth more than 10 times MV’s to the RBR brand. They all need to wake up and smell the coffee - Horner is not going anywhere because the owners of RBR know his worth, not just for the next couple of years, for the 10 plus years.
RBR for their part should ban Jos from stepping anywhere near their team and put Max in his place, or else.
Horner, I don’t like the man, I despise him, but he has taken that team from nothing to world domination - he is worth more than 10 times MV’s to the RBR brand. They all need to wake up and smell the coffee - Horner is not going anywhere because the owners of RBR know his worth, not just for the next couple of years, for the 10 plus years.
tele_lover said:
Earlier someone said it looked like she shared a screenshot with a friend.
Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
I wonder if there are some translation issues in that article. It mentions for example the grievance was about an "alleged sexual assault", which it wasn't, so there could be some translation nuances giving the wrong impression.Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
Certainly it would be odd for Red Bull to go from offering her £650k one week, to dismissing them the next week. They know she isn't afraid of litigation (because that's what she was telling De Telegraaf prior to the outcome of the grievance). So to dismiss, even if they think they have a very strong case, sounds time-consuming for all involved.
EddieSteadyGo said:
tele_lover said:
Earlier someone said it looked like she shared a screenshot with a friend.
Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
I wonder if there are some translation issues in that article. It mentions for example the grievance was about an "alleged sexual assault", which it wasn't, so there could be some translation nuances giving the wrong impression.Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
Certainly it would be odd for Red Bull to go from offering her £650k one week, to dismissing them the next week. They know she isn't afraid of litigation (because that's what she was telling De Telegraaf prior to the outcome of the grievance). So to dismiss, even if they think they have a very strong case, sounds time-consuming for all involved.
However, now it's out, they think it's bearable and not worth £650k?
Max is fussed about this and will have already taken sides - his dad’s. But he’s also clever to know that RBR are king makers and could just as easily switch attention to Checco for 24, Sainz for 2025 and beyond. RBR don’t need Max - they’ve got a rocket ship and no one person is bigger than the team. Max knows this as does Jos, so they’ll push the boundaries but ultimately step back from the precipice.
RBR for their part should ban Jos from stepping anywhere near their team and put Max in his place, or else.
Horner, I don’t like the man, I despise him, but he has taken that team from nothing to world domination - he is worth more than 10 times MV’s to the RBR brand. They all need to wake up and smell the coffee - Horner is not going anywhere because the owners of RBR know his worth, not just for the next couple of years, for the 10 plus years.
RBR for their part should ban Jos from stepping anywhere near their team and put Max in his place, or else.
Horner, I don’t like the man, I despise him, but he has taken that team from nothing to world domination - he is worth more than 10 times MV’s to the RBR brand. They all need to wake up and smell the coffee - Horner is not going anywhere because the owners of RBR know his worth, not just for the next couple of years, for the 10 plus years.
Bo_apex said:
thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Albon is on record admitting he cannot drive a RedBull as quickly as Max. Neither can Perez.Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Red Bull drop down the grid instantly if they lose Max.
Good news for the Tifosi
And if the car is fast enough for Perez to finish second they only need another driver faster than Perez, not necessarily one as fast as Max. A win is a win - whether they win by one minute or one second is irrelevant.
maz8062 said:
Max is fussed about this and will have already taken sides - his dad’s. But he’s also clever to know that RBR are king makers and could just as easily switch attention to Checco for 24, Sainz for 2025 and beyond. RBR don’t need Max - they’ve got a rocket ship and no one person is bigger than the team. Max knows this as does Jos, so they’ll push the boundaries but ultimately step back from the precipice.
RBR for their part should ban Jos from stepping anywhere near their team and put Max in his place, or else.
Horner, I don’t like the man, I despise him, but he has taken that team from nothing to world domination - he is worth more than 10 times MV’s to the RBR brand. They all need to wake up and smell the coffee - Horner is not going anywhere because the owners of RBR know his worth, not just for the next couple of years, for the 10 plus years.
Max Verstappen can only say things that indicate he will and wants to stick to his contract in case later he relies on an alleged breach of contract by Red Bull to try and exit (or clause that otherwise allows him to, e.g. Marko or another leaving). RBR for their part should ban Jos from stepping anywhere near their team and put Max in his place, or else.
Horner, I don’t like the man, I despise him, but he has taken that team from nothing to world domination - he is worth more than 10 times MV’s to the RBR brand. They all need to wake up and smell the coffee - Horner is not going anywhere because the owners of RBR know his worth, not just for the next couple of years, for the 10 plus years.
tele_lover said:
Earlier someone said it looked like she shared a screenshot with a friend.
Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
No they couldn’t, it was a private relationship and nothing to do with work, remember? Depending when that was, RBR could maybe argue that conversation with CEO is company material and gross misconduct.
thegreenhell said:
Bo_apex said:
thegreenhell said:
It says her contract was terminated and she is preparing to sue them.
Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Albon is on record admitting he cannot drive a RedBull as quickly as Max. Neither can Perez.Also in that article, the Thai majority shareholders back Horner and value Newey over Verstappen, and would replace the driver if necessary, targeting Albon and Paistri for next year. Both have contracts elsewhere, but contracts can be bought and they have enough money for any payoff required.
Red Bull drop down the grid instantly if they lose Max.
Good news for the Tifosi
And if the car is fast enough for Perez to finish second they only need another driver faster than Perez, not necessarily one as fast as Max. A win is a win - whether they win by one minute or one second is irrelevant.
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