Official 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread (Vol 2) *SPOILERS*
Discussion
MarkwG said:
The picture it paints of the 2022 Masi makes uncomfortable reading: it also makes it feel like the organisation is hanging him out to dry, when it should have been supporting him appropriately in the first place.
Or more likely... He did what they wanted and now he gets slung under the bus. The next guy will be carefully chosen to also do what the powers that be desire.That's just one theory of course. Perhaps Masi is simply a buffoon.
Depends whether or not we believe that convenient decisions lead to a neck and neck season followed by an end game equal points showdown was worth enough hundreds of millions to motivate the beneficiaries of those millions to ask a single puppet to show a little bias in favour of 'the show'..
Hundreds of millions don't normally sway a humans judgement, so I'm sure it was all reasonable and honest
MarkwG said:
The picture it paints of the 2022 Masi makes uncomfortable reading: it also makes it feel like the organisation is hanging him out to dry, when it should have been supporting him appropriately in the first place.
The entire purpose of having rules, understanding them and using them correctly is to not get into the mess he has. Rules and procedures are there to remove pressure, when you discard them chaos can be the outcome.I still find it astonishing he is involved in these meetings. The FIA are failing him badly by keeping him front and centre.
TheDeuce said:
MarkwG said:
The picture it paints of the 2022 Masi makes uncomfortable reading: it also makes it feel like the organisation is hanging him out to dry, when it should have been supporting him appropriately in the first place.
Or more likely... He did what they wanted and now he gets slung under the bus. The next guy will be carefully chosen to also do what the powers that be desire.That's just one theory of course. Perhaps Masi is simply a buffoon.
Depends whether or not we believe that convenient decisions lead to a neck and neck season followed by an end game equal points showdown was worth enough hundreds of millions to motivate the beneficiaries of those millions to ask a single puppet to show a little bias in favour of 'the show'..
Hundreds of millions don't normally sway a humans judgement, so I'm sure it was all reasonable and honest
The current position is not "hanging him out to dry" as others have suggested, it's them supporting him as they would anyone who was one their own despite his actions.
jm doc said:
I don't believe for one minute Masi did this for the FIA, he did it for Horner and Wheatley, knowing that the FIA would do nothing.
The current position is not "hanging him out to dry" as others have suggested, it's them supporting him as they would anyone who was one their own despite his actions.
I , for one, have never once thought Masi acted on behalf of RBThe current position is not "hanging him out to dry" as others have suggested, it's them supporting him as they would anyone who was one their own despite his actions.
If he did (proven) he would be toast by now
jules_s said:
jm doc said:
I don't believe for one minute Masi did this for the FIA, he did it for Horner and Wheatley, knowing that the FIA would do nothing.
The current position is not "hanging him out to dry" as others have suggested, it's them supporting him as they would anyone who was one their own despite his actions.
I , for one, have never once thought Masi acted on behalf of RBThe current position is not "hanging him out to dry" as others have suggested, it's them supporting him as they would anyone who was one their own despite his actions.
If he did (proven) he would be toast by now
The one thing we haven’t yet seen, is the timeline of the various messages. The best case scenario for Masi, is that he allowed himself to be bullied by a competitor into tearing up the rule book five minutes from the end of the season.
Stan the Bat said:
blueg33 said:
Tyre Tread said:
I lost an enormous amount of respect for Brundle and Hill.
How can these people hold their heads up after the way they denied the issue at the time?
It's all about the money. Complete lack of integrity.
I always rated Brundle as a commentator, but I think he let the sport and himself down. How can these people hold their heads up after the way they denied the issue at the time?
It's all about the money. Complete lack of integrity.
A lot of people let themselves down then and in the aftermath brundle quite notably but yes, he's not been great in a long time.
I think he's been in an abusive relationship and we've witnessed brundle ground down and snubbed out by crofty.
jm doc said:
TheDeuce said:
MarkwG said:
The picture it paints of the 2022 Masi makes uncomfortable reading: it also makes it feel like the organisation is hanging him out to dry, when it should have been supporting him appropriately in the first place.
Or more likely... He did what they wanted and now he gets slung under the bus. The next guy will be carefully chosen to also do what the powers that be desire.That's just one theory of course. Perhaps Masi is simply a buffoon.
Depends whether or not we believe that convenient decisions lead to a neck and neck season followed by an end game equal points showdown was worth enough hundreds of millions to motivate the beneficiaries of those millions to ask a single puppet to show a little bias in favour of 'the show'..
Hundreds of millions don't normally sway a humans judgement, so I'm sure it was all reasonable and honest
The current position is not "hanging him out to dry" as others have suggested, it's them supporting him as they would anyone who was one their own despite his actions.
But for the entire season his actions (sometimes inactions) and decisions conveniently resulted in a sustained close and ultimately photo finish season long battle. Both RB and Mercedes have at different times fallen foul of that convenient decision making during the season.
Impossible to prove but it's entirely possible that some of those at the very top of the sports management and governance will in various ways express to the race director what would be good for the sport, preferable/nice if it happened/imagine if.... However the pressure is applied this sort of thing happens all the time in the world at large, in politics, business sport and even friendships.
TheDeuce said:
I don't think there's anything to suggest he had a bias towards assisting RB, he was simply swung (imo) by their input in a frantic moment.
But for the entire season his actions (sometimes inactions) and decisions conveniently resulted in a sustained close and ultimately photo finish season long battle. Both RB and Mercedes have at different times fallen foul of that convenient decision making during the season.
Impossible to prove but it's entirely possible that some of those at the very top of the sports management and governance will in various ways express to the race director what would be good for the sport, preferable/nice if it happened/imagine if.... However the pressure is applied this sort of thing happens all the time in the world at large, in politics, business sport and even friendships.
Yes, hoisted by their own petard.But for the entire season his actions (sometimes inactions) and decisions conveniently resulted in a sustained close and ultimately photo finish season long battle. Both RB and Mercedes have at different times fallen foul of that convenient decision making during the season.
Impossible to prove but it's entirely possible that some of those at the very top of the sports management and governance will in various ways express to the race director what would be good for the sport, preferable/nice if it happened/imagine if.... However the pressure is applied this sort of thing happens all the time in the world at large, in politics, business sport and even friendships.
And their actions over the coming days/weeks have the potential to dig an even deeper hole for themselves.
Last lap of Dhabi is not the only thing. Driving both of them miles off the track in brazil. Should be a stop go at least. Jamming brakes on in saudi at least a stop go as well.
If that was not some sort of red bull bias at work what is it?
I cant think of any one of the many F1 media/commentator plonkers that made much fuss either.
If that was not some sort of red bull bias at work what is it?
I cant think of any one of the many F1 media/commentator plonkers that made much fuss either.
TheDeuce said:
I don't think there's anything to suggest he had a bias towards assisting RB, he was simply swung (imo) by their input in a frantic moment.
agreed, even though i want him gone- not because he was deliberately trying to fix the win for RB/ Max but because he buckled under pressure & panicked ...but it shouldn't have been frantic- his main concern (as is his/ FIA mandate) should be safety & regulations, so while he was trying to sort the Latifi crash he should have ignored all team input apart from maybe WilliamsI don't know where or when this collusion between FOM/G & the FIA started (suspect it's a Todt & Brawn thing) but the very reason the FIA & FOM are separated is avoid conflicts of interests & debacles like this
There is/was no Red Bull bias.
At worst, Masi allowed himself to partly be influenced by calls on the radio to get the race running again.
But, at it's core, that was his main motive - to not finish the World Championship behind a safety car. The fact that it benefitted Red Bull is a side effect.
At worst, Masi allowed himself to partly be influenced by calls on the radio to get the race running again.
But, at it's core, that was his main motive - to not finish the World Championship behind a safety car. The fact that it benefitted Red Bull is a side effect.
Muzzer79 said:
There is/was no Red Bull bias.
At worst, Masi allowed himself to partly be influenced by calls on the radio to get the race running again.
But, at it's core, that was his main motive - to not finish the World Championship behind a safety car. The fact that it benefitted Red Bull is a side effect.
I don't think it was exactly fixed to hand Max the title deliberately, but I think it is clear that for Drive to Survive and their product, a new WDC was a desirable outcome for the season. If we look at some of the stuff Max got away with it's pretty suspicious. Running Hamilton straight off the circuit in Brazil, and then the Saudi weekend when Max pretty much completely lost his mind. That race should have resulted in a multi-race ban for Verstappen, it's still a relief nobody was injured or worse.At worst, Masi allowed himself to partly be influenced by calls on the radio to get the race running again.
But, at it's core, that was his main motive - to not finish the World Championship behind a safety car. The fact that it benefitted Red Bull is a side effect.
Muzzer79 said:
There is/was no Red Bull bias.
At worst, Masi allowed himself to partly be influenced by calls on the radio to get the race running again.
But, at it's core, that was his main motive - to not finish the World Championship behind a safety car. The fact that it benefitted Red Bull is a side effect.
I think that's probably true. I maintain my suspicion he's generally made highly convenient and questionable decisions all season, but that final one probably was a fAt worst, Masi allowed himself to partly be influenced by calls on the radio to get the race running again.
But, at it's core, that was his main motive - to not finish the World Championship behind a safety car. The fact that it benefitted Red Bull is a side effect.
k up as a result of just wanting to get racing again. RB were very clever to sell him a plausible way of achieving that...The problem is that if the above is true, it shows a monumental lack of judgement under pressure from Masi. The race restart procedure in the circumstance is well rehearsed, well understood. He chose in a desperate way to try something new at a time when he couldn't possibly have the time to assess how it could play out and whether it was really a good idea or not. When you have extremely limited time to do something, that is not a sensible time to try something new...
The fact he did try something new just goes to show he is a man willing to directly influence the outcome of a race by tailoring his decisions as opposed to remaining consistent. In Abu Dhabi he made a decision he has not previously made, and he did it to influence the way the race ended to make it more exciting - he did it for the show. Naturally that leads me to wonder else did he do throughout the season 'for the show'.. Which is why I suspect he is a man the powers that be are able to influence.
Whiting wasn't perfect but he struck me as having rather more integrity.
peterpan0 said:
Muzzer79 said:
peterpan0 said:
do we think maybe Hamilton got a 50mm pay off to be quiet ?
Er.....no?Random suggestion.....
1. Lewis Hamilton is (allegedly) worth over £200m so doesn't need the money.
2. If he isn't paid £50m, what is he not going to 'be quiet' about?
3. Who will fork out the £50m and why?
I could go on - it's a silly suggestion.
Muzzer79 said:
peterpan0 said:
Muzzer79 said:
peterpan0 said:
do we think maybe Hamilton got a 50mm pay off to be quiet ?
Er.....no?Random suggestion.....
1. Lewis Hamilton is (allegedly) worth over £200m so doesn't need the money.
2. If he isn't paid £50m, what is he not going to 'be quiet' about?
3. Who will fork out the £50m and why?
I could go on - it's a silly suggestion.
hes worth far more than 200mm
liberty cos they fcked him so hard and don't want him to quit
again u have read this thread ?
i could go on too
edit if he was worth 200mm and was given 50mm that's a 25% up tick in his personal wealth which is very substantial.
Edited by peterpan0 on Thursday 17th February 12:11
Edited by peterpan0 on Thursday 17th February 12:23
The longer this whole saga drags on , and if those involved had a sense of humility, then surely Michael Masi should resign on the grounds of bringing the sport into disrepute . It’s obvious that it’s not going to go away , much as many would like and , at least , it would draw some sort of line under the affair. Is it likely? No .
I think Red Bull played a blinder in pressuring him and also I get a sense of a greater dislike for Toto that affects his decisions on many an occasion.
I remain pessimistic and deeply annoyed that this “ tainted” view of the sport that I now have ,that has been part of me since I was a child in the 1950s , has been sullied in such a fashion . It’s not who won but how .
I think Red Bull played a blinder in pressuring him and also I get a sense of a greater dislike for Toto that affects his decisions on many an occasion.
I remain pessimistic and deeply annoyed that this “ tainted” view of the sport that I now have ,that has been part of me since I was a child in the 1950s , has been sullied in such a fashion . It’s not who won but how .
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