Will Lewis ever win #8?
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fesuvious said:
All previous training and conditioning won't prepare anybody for that vertical bouncing.
It must put severe shock through discs and vertebrae.
I have no idea whatsoever if Lewis might have an issue in this way. It would however offer up some explanation.
We forget that the drivers are humans. Yes, all in sublime fitness and condition. That though won't always mean equality of disc and bone condition.
Who's to say Lewis isn't suffering discomfort during the porpoising that is affecting him more than others?
Wouldn’t surprise me at all, they car looks horrific to drive at speed with the constant bouncing and he’s no spring chicken. It must put severe shock through discs and vertebrae.
I have no idea whatsoever if Lewis might have an issue in this way. It would however offer up some explanation.
We forget that the drivers are humans. Yes, all in sublime fitness and condition. That though won't always mean equality of disc and bone condition.
Who's to say Lewis isn't suffering discomfort during the porpoising that is affecting him more than others?
fesuvious said:
All previous training and conditioning won't prepare anybody for that vertical bouncing.
It must put severe shock through discs and vertebrae.
I have no idea whatsoever if Lewis might have an issue in this way. It would however offer up some explanation.
We forget that the drivers are humans. Yes, all in sublime fitness and condition. That though won't always mean equality of disc and bone condition.
Who's to say Lewis isn't suffering discomfort during the porpoising that is affecting him more than others?
Lewis' performance deficit has been explained over the couple of pages.It must put severe shock through discs and vertebrae.
I have no idea whatsoever if Lewis might have an issue in this way. It would however offer up some explanation.
We forget that the drivers are humans. Yes, all in sublime fitness and condition. That though won't always mean equality of disc and bone condition.
Who's to say Lewis isn't suffering discomfort during the porpoising that is affecting him more than others?
jsf said:
It could put someone out for a while.
I have a feeling the regs have cocked up a bit here, they have very defined boxes to work within, they may have baked in a serious aero instability problem.
Even the best cars are shaking the drivers when you go onboard. It's a really bad look for the pinnacle of motorsport.
The teams are in control of how much the car porpoises, not the rules.I have a feeling the regs have cocked up a bit here, they have very defined boxes to work within, they may have baked in a serious aero instability problem.
Even the best cars are shaking the drivers when you go onboard. It's a really bad look for the pinnacle of motorsport.
They could all stop it (porpoising) tomorrow, but they won’t because they’d be slower than the cars who suffer from it less.
I don’t see the Red Bull suffering from it much, or McLaren, or most of the teams really, with the exception of Ferrari and Mercedes.
They vibrate due to bumpy circuits, but that’s not porpoising.
Muzzer79 said:
The teams are in control of how much the car porpoises, not the rules.
They could all stop it (porpoising) tomorrow, but they won’t because they’d be slower than the cars who suffer from it less.
I don’t see the Red Bull suffering from it much, or McLaren, or most of the teams really, with the exception of Ferrari and Mercedes.
They vibrate due to bumpy circuits, but that’s not porpoising.
Red Bull definitely does it, just not as severely. Ferrari once it starts s pretty horrific.They could all stop it (porpoising) tomorrow, but they won’t because they’d be slower than the cars who suffer from it less.
I don’t see the Red Bull suffering from it much, or McLaren, or most of the teams really, with the exception of Ferrari and Mercedes.
They vibrate due to bumpy circuits, but that’s not porpoising.
This could be causing concussion issues, which is no joke.
g4ry13 said:
jsf said:
fesuvious said:
That porpoising;
Is it possible that if any driver had a weakness in a disc or vertebrae then it could cause real discomfort?
The vertical movement is going to highlight any weakness quite quickly in a manner many drivers won't have experienced before.
Especially in the neck.
It's worth a ponder. Could Lewis be suffering in an entirely unexpected way with the bobbing?
It could put someone out for a while.Is it possible that if any driver had a weakness in a disc or vertebrae then it could cause real discomfort?
The vertical movement is going to highlight any weakness quite quickly in a manner many drivers won't have experienced before.
Especially in the neck.
It's worth a ponder. Could Lewis be suffering in an entirely unexpected way with the bobbing?
I have a feeling the regs have cocked up a bit here, they have very defined boxes to work within, they may have baked in a serious aero instability problem.
Even the best cars are shaking the drivers when you go onboard. It's a really bad look for the pinnacle of motorsport.
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g4ry13 said:
The cars look more alive and more of a challenge to drive. It's not ideal, but it's better than the era when everything looked so smooth and the cars didn't pose much of a challenge to the drivers.
It's good to see drivers working up a sweat again.I doubt that F1 will ever again reach the physical exhaustion levels of Senna era but it certainly looks more of a challenge than in recent years.
jsf said:
Muzzer79 said:
The teams are in control of how much the car porpoises, not the rules.
They could all stop it (porpoising) tomorrow, but they won’t because they’d be slower than the cars who suffer from it less.
I don’t see the Red Bull suffering from it much, or McLaren, or most of the teams really, with the exception of Ferrari and Mercedes.
They vibrate due to bumpy circuits, but that’s not porpoising.
Red Bull definitely does it, just not as severely. Ferrari once it starts s pretty horrific.They could all stop it (porpoising) tomorrow, but they won’t because they’d be slower than the cars who suffer from it less.
I don’t see the Red Bull suffering from it much, or McLaren, or most of the teams really, with the exception of Ferrari and Mercedes.
They vibrate due to bumpy circuits, but that’s not porpoising.
This could be causing concussion issues, which is no joke.
In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
Sandpit Steve said:
But if you ask the drivers, they’ll all want the points on Sunday and the aching back on Monday, rather than not getting the points.
In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
Head injuries are far more serious than a few muscle pains. One top driver i have worked with had to retire because of concussion injuries.In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
It looks bad enough to be doing similar damage to a boxer constantly jabbing the opponent. I bet you behind the scenes this is being looked at seriously, it certainly should be.
jsf said:
Sandpit Steve said:
But if you ask the drivers, they’ll all want the points on Sunday and the aching back on Monday, rather than not getting the points.
In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
Head injuries are far more serious than a few muscle pains. One top driver i have worked with had to retire because of concussion injuries.In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
It looks bad enough to be doing similar damage to a boxer constantly jabbing the opponent. I bet you behind the scenes this is being looked at seriously, it certainly should be.
jsf said:
Sandpit Steve said:
But if you ask the drivers, they’ll all want the points on Sunday and the aching back on Monday, rather than not getting the points.
In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
Head injuries are far more serious than a few muscle pains. One top driver i have worked with had to retire because of concussion injuries.In totally unrelated news, the two most affected cars are in the top three in the championship.
It looks bad enough to be doing similar damage to a boxer constantly jabbing the opponent. I bet you behind the scenes this is being looked at seriously, it certainly should be.
Joey Deacon said:
Looks like this is going to be the first year that Lewis won't win at least one grand prix in a season.
Be such a shame if he retires after a year of making up the numbers, I really hope they improve over the year and he decides to stay next year.
George making him look very ordinary though.
No chance that we'll go the whole season without a Mercedes win, and I'd wager that theres at least a 40% chance for that to be a Hamilton win versus 60% itd be Russell, based on demonstrated formBe such a shame if he retires after a year of making up the numbers, I really hope they improve over the year and he decides to stay next year.
George making him look very ordinary though.
Interesting comments on the start of the season for Hamilton and Russell from Mark Hughes on 'The Race':
'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
paulguitar said:
Interesting comments on the start of the season for Hamilton and Russell from Mark Hughes on 'The Race':
'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
So whenever Ham gets lapped everyone should just shrug their shoulders.'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
Got it
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
Interesting comments on the start of the season for Hamilton and Russell from Mark Hughes on 'The Race':
'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
So whenever Ham gets lapped everyone should just shrug their shoulders.'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
Got it
The whole thing is interesting, have a read here:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/our-verdict-on-russ...
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
Interesting comments on the start of the season for Hamilton and Russell from Mark Hughes on 'The Race':
'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
So whenever Ham gets lapped everyone should just shrug their shoulders.'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
Got it
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 26th April 17:02
paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
paulguitar said:
Interesting comments on the start of the season for Hamilton and Russell from Mark Hughes on 'The Race':
'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
So whenever Ham gets lapped everyone should just shrug their shoulders.'It’s a total non-topic as far as I’m concerned, as when you look at the actual circumstances there’s a non-correlation between performances and outcomes.
This happens so often it totally baffles me when people don’t just shrug their shoulders at it.
They’ve sometimes made different choices as they try to wring something out of a difficult car – Hamilton is probably more radical/extreme. But to believe that Hamilton has somehow in the space of a few months lost his ability is plain ridiculous. As is the idea that he’s lost motivation.
Russell’s doing a great job but there’s nothing to suggest he’s intrinsically faster. Safer set-up choices, getting a lucky break with the Melbourne safety car and getting the drier side of the Imola grid is all that his greater points score is about.
It’s a sample of four races and the circumstances are skewed all over the place. That’s just so blindingly obvious it’s not even a relevant serious point of discussion.'
Got it
The whole thing is interesting, have a read here:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/our-verdict-on-russ...
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