Pants and nose rings and driver safety
Discussion
Sandpit Steve said:
MB140 said:
Reference the pants, I’m RAF aircrew and we wear fire retardant under garments under our flying suits. RAFCAM (RAF Centre for Aviation Medicine) did some extensive testing on the effectiveness of our under garments (essentially the same as what F1 drivers will wear), if not being worn correctly (even things like wearing your own underwear under a pair of fireproof leggings) decreases the effectiveness of them by about 85% if I remember the numbers correctly.
I remember seeing the evidence, I never wore them incorrectly again. They only work if worn as part of a layered approach.
As for the Jewels then metal gets bloody hot quickly, it can only make matters worse. So as far as I’m concerned it’s only right that there mandated.
Great post, good to hear from someone with relevant experience of these things I remember seeing the evidence, I never wore them incorrectly again. They only work if worn as part of a layered approach.
As for the Jewels then metal gets bloody hot quickly, it can only make matters worse. So as far as I’m concerned it’s only right that there mandated.
Your tale, as expected, matches with what the FIA have said. They did their own research and testing on this stuff, and the drivers’ clothing is only certified if worn correctly. Their aim, as with the military, is to prevent injuries when accidents occur!
MarkwG said:
Absolutely agree; however, it doesn't reflect well on the FIA that they've not seen to enforce the rules for a significant period of time. The research isn't new, after all.
What’s new, is the FIA management. You’re right that the failure to enforce such rules previously, is an issue for the previous FIA management. IIRC, the latest discussion started as long ago as the Grosjean crash. Sandpit Steve said:
MarkwG said:
Absolutely agree; however, it doesn't reflect well on the FIA that they've not seen to enforce the rules for a significant period of time. The research isn't new, after all.
What’s new, is the FIA management. You’re right that the failure to enforce such rules previously, is an issue for the previous FIA management. IIRC, the latest discussion started as long ago as the Grosjean crash. I think it is wise to clarify that whilst this rule has not been actively enforced specifically in F1 for a period of time, it is not the case that the FIA haven't imposed the rule at all. It was applied in DTM previously when Niels Wittich was Race Director.
A case of 'there's a world of motorsport out there that isn't F1 and they all use the same basic Sporting Code'.
A case of 'there's a world of motorsport out there that isn't F1 and they all use the same basic Sporting Code'.
Red Firecracker said:
A case of 'there's a world of motorsport out there that isn't F1 and they all use the same basic Sporting Code'.
How odd, because in other motorsport if one were to brake test an opponent they would be DQ'd. Yet Max was allowed to continue racing despite it causing a collision with Lewis. Seems like a strange sense of rule enforcement to me..
a_dreamer said:
moorx said:
Funny how the criticism leveled at Hamilton hasn't also been directed towards Gasly, who apparently agrees with him and also wants to carry on wearing certain jewellery:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61342278
What you mean to say is "funny the criticism in britain has been levelled at the biggest star in the sport and one of the most well known British sports stars, who has multiple piercings and failed the scrutineering rather than a lower known star in the sport who has less piercing and 99% of the British public wouldn't even know"https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61342278
And please don't tell me what I mean to say.
Edited by moorx on Saturday 7th May 17:07
Done a bit of Marshalling and also a First Aider. Can see why jewellery is a safety concern.
Well done to FIA for a reminder of the rules. I'd hope they are enforced.
With regards to fire retardant undies, the same applies. I wore them when marshalling.
You only have to look at the Grosjean incident for a reminder why this is important. Nobody wants a burnt willy!
Well done to FIA for a reminder of the rules. I'd hope they are enforced.
With regards to fire retardant undies, the same applies. I wore them when marshalling.
You only have to look at the Grosjean incident for a reminder why this is important. Nobody wants a burnt willy!
moorx said:
My comments were more a reaction to the criticism on here - in this thread and others. I would expect most contributors to an F1 section of a car forum to know who Gasly was.
And please don't tell me what I mean to say.
ok, maybe people just expect more from HamiltonAnd please don't tell me what I mean to say.
Edited by moorx on Saturday 7th May 17:07
I am not permitted to wear jewellery at work other than a wrist watch and they even mandate a certain type of strap. Electricians aren’t allowed to wear anything metal etc. Therefore I don’t have a problem with any of this. What I do have a problem with, is the FIA have never enforced these rules, so why now? It sums up the incompetence of the FIA and the pinnacle of motorsport. I’m a huge Lewis fan but he should shut up and get on with improving his team’s performance on track and worry about what he wears when he’s off it. Inside the car, there are rules so obey them. It’s as simple as that.
Blink982 said:
I’m a huge Lewis fan but he should shut up and get on with improving his team’s performance on track and worry about what he wears when he’s off it. Inside the car, there are rules so obey them. It’s as simple as that.
Yet I think that if I was robbed of a record breaking 8th WDC because the FIA broke the rules then covered it up and blustered and bull***t everywhere, I'd probably not be too keen to obey such a rule either, especially one that had not been enforced for over 10 years......This rule enforcement seems petty to me.
Underwear inspection? What next, regulation haircuts? All drivers to have sensible short-back-and-sides with definitely nothing that looks any way ethnic?
These drivers are literally putting their lives on the line for our entertainment. If they want to wear jewellery that is hard to remove then let them, so long as they sign a waiver absolving the FIA of any liability. Lewis has offered to sign such a waiver, btw.
Underwear inspection? What next, regulation haircuts? All drivers to have sensible short-back-and-sides with definitely nothing that looks any way ethnic?
These drivers are literally putting their lives on the line for our entertainment. If they want to wear jewellery that is hard to remove then let them, so long as they sign a waiver absolving the FIA of any liability. Lewis has offered to sign such a waiver, btw.
Even if enforcement has been slack before, you definitely can't have a situation where drivers can pick and choose which rules they want to follow.
And you definitely can't sustain one or two drivers openly taking the piss and daring enforcement to be taken against them. Get into a situation where discipline and respect for the enforcement of rules breaks down and you're f
ked, because where does it end?
And before the whataboutery of things last year or it's only a minor thing - how do you expect to move forward from complaining about how rules were misapplied if you don't start applying them?
And you definitely can't sustain one or two drivers openly taking the piss and daring enforcement to be taken against them. Get into a situation where discipline and respect for the enforcement of rules breaks down and you're f
ked, because where does it end?And before the whataboutery of things last year or it's only a minor thing - how do you expect to move forward from complaining about how rules were misapplied if you don't start applying them?
Just seen Hamilton interview from earlier in weekend where he was wearing all his jewellery and said that he would continue to do it and it felt a silly battle to be having when there are bigger issues at hand.
I agree with him on that. It is really silly to be talking about a nose piercing rather than other things, but that could be stopped by following the rules.
If he wants the rules changed then it takes time away from more important things.
I think he is on the wrong side here, which is unusual for him.
I agree with him on that. It is really silly to be talking about a nose piercing rather than other things, but that could be stopped by following the rules.
If he wants the rules changed then it takes time away from more important things.
I think he is on the wrong side here, which is unusual for him.
a_dreamer said:
Just seen Hamilton interview from earlier in weekend where he was wearing all his jewellery and said that he would continue to do it and it felt a silly battle to be having when there are bigger issues at hand.
I agree with him on that. It is really silly to be talking about a nose piercing rather than other things, but that could be stopped by following the rules.
If he wants the rules changed then it takes time away from more important things.
I think he is on the wrong side here, which is unusual for him.
Yes and no. He has piercings that aren't easily removed. Presumably these are important to him or he wouldn't have had them done. I agree with him on that. It is really silly to be talking about a nose piercing rather than other things, but that could be stopped by following the rules.
If he wants the rules changed then it takes time away from more important things.
I think he is on the wrong side here, which is unusual for him.
Being forced to remove them is getting into the territory of dictating how someone looks (hence my joke earlier about regulation haircuts).
Given that this enforcement is allegedly in the name of safety, and the only person whose safety is being compromised is the wearer, then his rather feels like a "Nanny knows best" thing and could easily be resolved by granting the wearer an exemption so long as they sign a waiver.
You are looking down the wrong end of the telescope. This isn't about being forced to look a certain way, this is about safety. If the FIA deems piercings to be unsafe and enforces the rule, then that's the conditions you go racing under. I see absolutely no reason at all why Lewis couldn't easily comply.
The irony here being that he was complaining about rules not being enforced last year to such an extent that this year they are enforcing all the rules black and white with no grey areas open to interpretation.
The irony here being that he was complaining about rules not being enforced last year to such an extent that this year they are enforcing all the rules black and white with no grey areas open to interpretation.
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