Daniel Ricciardo

[Pflanzgarten]

Tazar said:

There is also probably a point where a driver has a few millions in the bank and a couple of nice properties and he realises that he can live comfortably with that. His investments bring in a steady income and a bit of media work tops that up.

Most of us work to have nice homes, cars, holidays and give our families a good lifestyle. Probably five years in F1 gives that in abundance.

A driver realises when the F1 Championship is not obtainable so probably reevaluates their career.

I don't think this could be further from the truth. Top level sportsmen very rarely think like this, that's why they're top level sportsmen and we aren't!

Same with entrepreneurs, you need to be wired up differently to say a MD or CEO to make it.

My personal opinion is he's never been the same since running away from Red Bull, mainly because despite what he may have said he knew Max was better-that was why he left.

I just think his head's gone, shown up by Max, shown up by Lando and he can't take it.

[Pflanzgarten]

Bloody hell, on the-race.com podcast today they seem to agree, he’ll quit at the end of this year and walk away from F1.

[MustangGT]

Pflanzgarten said:

My personal opinion is he's never been the same since running away from Red Bull, mainly because despite what he may have said he knew Max was better-that was why he left.

I just think his head's gone, shown up by Max, shown up by Lando and he can't take it.

You do realise that Danny was ahead of Max in the standings when the decision was made?

He left purely and simply because RB made it clear they saw Max as the new coming and Danny would have to put up with being No2.

[AW111]

Milkyway said:

TheDeuce said:

Blib said:

Maybe the problem for Aussie/NZ drivers is that as youngsters they're so far away from competitive, International racing?

It takes enormous commitment and a large financial war chest to relocate to Europe to try to make it.

But he did make it and was performing as well as anyone before he departed RB.

And not forgetting Mark Webber.

Mick Doohan
Wayne Gardner
Darryl Beatty

All layabouts with no real ambition?

[Pflanzgarten]

MustangGT said:

You do realise that Danny was ahead of Max in the standings when the decision was made?

Yes.

[HustleRussell]

I don't think Monaco is ever the circuit where things are going to come together for a driver who is fundamentally struggling to get the car on the pace. I certainly wasn't expecting a breakthrough.

The team have moved to make clear that Danny's FP2 crash was caused by an overly extreme setup experiment so he should be absolved of most of the responsibility there.

I really hope that Ricciardo can rediscover his mojo this season to the point that he is a consideration for whatever seats are available including Mclaren again. If the threat to his drive is supposedly performance motivated then it seems a bit bold to replace an experienced multiple race winner with a rookie.

There is time this season for him to deliver some strong performances and save his position IMO.

I have had to re-assess Ricciardo (and Norris) in view of his performance at Mclaren in particular. He was a bit anonymous at Renault especially in 2019 but it is Mclaren and Norris which has really been his undoing. He has failed to adapt. He now has to go into the Sebastian Vettel category for drivers who look incredibly impressive with the right car in the right circumstances but who look thoroughly mortal when things aren't quite right.

[cgt2]

HustleRussell said:

it seems a bit bold to replace an experienced multiple race winner with a rookie.

That worked out pretty well with Norris and Leclerc and seems to be with Russell too! Though of course they weren't complete rookies and I agree with you on most of it.

Edited by cgt2 on Monday 30th May 20:25

Edited by cgt2 on Monday 30th May 20:26

[mcdk2]

I think they've passed the point of no return now.

Ricciardo is done at McLaren.

For Zak to be talking openly about contractual options to ditch him was the final straw imo.

Ricciardo has been on a downward slope for many seasons now (Ince his last at Redbull imo) and I don't think he has the ability to return it around.

Norris is embarrassing him every single time he gets into a car, and ricciardo replacements are already lining up.

Nice guy, but I think he's also a bit light on technical ability, technical knowledge, general knowledge and maybe even lucid though processes.

[Pflanzgarten]

Scott Mitchel was saying he didn’t want to get out of the car at the end, just sat there with a thousand yard stare on.

None of it sounds great.

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

what I can't get my head around is that he still seems the happy go lucky joker out of the car, even though he isn't performing in it. Normally if things aren't going well at work it shows in your demeanor. But not, it seems, for Ricci -Do. Or maybe he really doesn't care any more?

[vaud]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

what I can't get my head around is that he still seems the happy go lucky joker out of the car, even though he isn't performing in it. Normally if things aren't going well at work it shows in your demeanor. But not, it seems, for Ricci -Do. Or maybe he really doesn't care any more?

Many F1 drivers are super confident / arrogant.

If you lose self belief then you might as well quit?

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

vaud said:

Many F1 drivers are super confident / arrogant.

If you lose self belief then you might as well quit?

I don't think be a happy go lucky joker equates to confidence, its just his demeanor. But to be up on your toes all the time having a laugh when you aren't performing, smashed by your team mate and it appears the team want you out, it's one hell of an act he's pulling off. I suspect the leftover Ron Dennis corporate style isn't suited to him.

[Piginapoke]

MustangGT said:

Pflanzgarten said:

My personal opinion is he's never been the same since running away from Red Bull, mainly because despite what he may have said he knew Max was better-that was why he left.

I just think his head's gone, shown up by Max, shown up by Lando and he can't take it.

You do realise that Danny was ahead of Max in the standings when the decision was made?

He left purely and simply because RB made it clear they saw Max as the new coming and Danny would have to put up with being No2.

And RB were right, basically.

[SmoothCriminal]

[Pflanzgarten]

[cgt2]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

what I can't get my head around is that he still seems the happy go lucky joker out of the car, even though he isn't performing in it. Normally if things aren't going well at work it shows in your demeanor. But not, it seems, for Ricci -Do. Or maybe he really doesn't care any more?

He logs into his mobile banking app and it brings a smile to his face.

[SturdyHSV]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

what I can't get my head around is that he still seems the happy go lucky joker out of the car, even though he isn't performing in it. Normally if things aren't going well at work it shows in your demeanor. But not, it seems, for Ricci -Do. Or maybe he really doesn't care any more?

It's surely because his media demeanour is a persona, a mock over confident act, which he has maintained his whole career.

I'd imagine the reality of the situation is he doesn't actually know how to be miserable / himself in public, because the Ricciardo "I'm so funny and fun and so handsome and so great aren't I hilarious and so good looking ha ha" is all he's ever done, and to finally admit that publically would effectively shatter his entire 'brand'.

My personal bet is the guy is really quite miserable and has no way of communicating it publically, which is probably quite isolating and lonely. Hopefully he has friends that are friends with whoever he 'really is' as opposed to the fun time joker BS persona the rest of the world has to endure.

[Stan the Bat]

So, who do we want in the second Mclaren seat?

Would like to see Albon there though that is very unlikely.

[vaud]

Stan the Bat said:

So, who do we want in the second Mclaren seat?

Would like to see Albon there though that is very unlikely.

Gasly or Albon from the current line up.

[entropy]

SturdyHSV said:

It's surely because his media demeanour is a persona, a mock over confident act, which he has maintained his whole career.

I'd imagine the reality of the situation is he doesn't actually know how to be miserable / himself in public, because the Ricciardo "I'm so funny and fun and so handsome and so great aren't I hilarious and so good looking ha ha" is all he's ever done, and to finally admit that publically would effectively shatter his entire 'brand'.

My personal bet is the guy is really quite miserable and has no way of communicating it publically, which is probably quite isolating and lonely. Hopefully he has friends that are friends with whoever he 'really is' as opposed to the fun time joker BS persona the rest of the world has to endure.

He's in the limelight and in a no-win situation. If he's not his chipper self then it's easy to detect there's something's wrong just as it was when was at Renault and joining the factory team was a career mistake or preceding that after crashing with Max in Azerbaijan and Ricc was unhappy getting the blame more than Max.

If Dan today comes across as moody or miserable then the whole world will be out to get him and say that Lando has destroyed him.