Daniel Ricciardo

[suffolk009]

TheDeuce said:

PRO 5T said:

TheDeuce said:

PRO 5T said:

Ricciardo was/is just a pawn in the Horny/Marko power play.

Marko wanted de Vries in against Horny’s wishes and Horny used his (Nick’s) lack of performance to bump him out to knock Marko’s reputation.

I don't see why you think Horner needed to anything in that instance, de Vries was shocking and obviously had to go.

DR was always a pawn... A pawn that kept winning races..?

Not recently he hasn't. I stand by my comment, Horny wanted to get one back at Marko-there was friction over the de Vries move from the start and Horny wanted to show that Marko was no longer up to the job.

I'm not disagreeing that de Vries was poor by the way, just that this little escapade was all part of a bigger play. Ricciardo knows which side his bread's buttered-see his stance on the Horny episode in the media and how he was called out on it.

And now Marko is in the press today suggesting Ricciardo needs to improve or he'll lose his seat to Lawson...

https://grandpx.news/markos-stern-warning-to-ricci...

Your going to have to explain that theory... What exactly did Horner need to do in all of that to make Marko look bad?

Marko wanted De Vries.

De Vries was shocking.

De Vries had to go.

Horner doing nothing, or even actively liking De Vries and agreeing with Marko in the first place wouldn't have changed it obviously being a bad call to give him the seat. At what point did Horner need to do anything to make this supposed 'scheme' play out against Marko?

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

[vaud]

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

[suffolk009]

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

[TheDeuce]

pfeds said:

I've been to Ricciardo's house in Perth, so that's my F1 claim to fame. Never met him though, my ex was a friend of his parents.

Even when he was in Red Bull I felt he wasn't as great as he was made out to be, and the years have proven me right. I think good for him though - he's still one of the best drivers in the world to be in F1, just doesn't have that insane edge you get from others. Kinda think he's held up by his personality - which is a good thing for him - but if I were him I'd take a step back from wanting to be a world champ and just enjoy the fun of mid field.

His personality is definitely a strong point for sponsors, he has a very food image from their pov.

The odd thing about DR though, is that during the years he was paired with Max, he really was a very good F1 driver. He was extremely consistent and had a good level of race-craft and aggression. In the end RB backed Max in various ways, a no brainer really, Max had quickly built up an army of fans and he was commercially the best choice of driver to back in a fight for a Title. But if you actually look at their results in those years, reliability factored in, DR's results were equivalent to Max's.

Clearly he's dropped off a cliff since... but there is (or was..) serious talent in him. I can't think of another F1 driver who was so strong and consistent and then prematurely seemed to lose his edge entirely.

Did you steal anything from his house?

[Zetec-S]

suffolk009 said:

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

But what team, at least in the modern era, has done better? Nearly 1/3 of the current grid have come from the program.

[vaud]

suffolk009 said:

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

I think it is remarkable to find 2 drivers who have maximized the use of the design and achieved 4+3 WDCs in turn.

[entropy]

TheDeuce said:

The odd thing about DR though, is that during the years he was paired with Max, he really was a very good F1 driver. He was extremely consistent and had a good level of race-craft and aggression. In the end RB backed Max in various ways, a no brainer really, Max had quickly built up an army of fans and he was commercially the best choice of driver to back in a fight for a Title. But if you actually look at their results in those years, reliability factored in, DR's results were equivalent to Max's.

Ever since the Azerbaijan clash with Max, contemplating leaving RBR and eventually did, his driving and results tailed off but can explained by Marko knighting Max as RBR's Golden Boy and placing blame all on Ricc for his drivers crashing.

[rev-erend]

Unless Danny Ric improves soon then I cannot see him still having a seat at the end of the season.

[HTP99]

rev-erend said:

Unless Danny Ric improves soon then I cannot see him still having a seat at the end of the season.

He's been given 2 races, I guess if he performs abysmally in Japan he will be out by then, so 1 race!

[Muzzer79]

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

I think it is remarkable to find 2 drivers who have maximized the use of the design and achieved 4+3 WDCs in turn.

This

McLaren (as an example) have been in F1 since the mid-sixties and have 'only' produced 7 world champions in those nigh-on 60 years. Only three of those have been multiple WDCs.

The Red Bull driver model is very high turnover, but that's arguably necessary to keep finding the Vettels and Verstappens.

[garypotter]

Hey guys, stop basjing K-Mag, he is the only driver who you know will put up a fight when over taking and will not just pull aside and let them through. If it was not for K mag the season woudl be even more boring

[rallycross]

garypotter said:

Hey guys, stop basjing K-Mag, he is the only driver who you know will put up a fight when over taking and will not just pull aside and let them through. If it was not for K mag the season woudl be even more boring

I agree and would like to see more tough racing for position (although sometimes yes K Mag maybe goes too far in terms of risk).

[tele_lover]

suffolk009 said:

vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

As I've said before, the whole Red Bull young driver thing isn't actually very good at finding and nurturing talent, is it?

Only 7 WDCs since 2010, its clearly failed

That's from just 2 drivers.

They've been in F1 for 20 years, with 2 teams (more or less). So that's 80 potential drivers per season (without the mid season swaps they seem to like).

2 drivers out of a potential of 80. I'd say that's not so good.

It's not out of 80 because 4x drivers cannot win the WDC in the same year! It's out of 20. And 80 assumes changing all 4x drivers every year, which if they won the WDC they obviously wouldn't change them.

[ThingsBehindTheSun]

HTP99 said:

He's been given 2 races, I guess if he performs abysmally in Japan he will be out by then, so 1 race!

In that case he is done, to be honest it was crazy to even bring him back after Liam Lawson took over after he broke his hand.

So is this going to be another season where a team pays him not to drive?

The Visa Cash App RB F1 Team, Alpha Tauri, Toro Rosso or whatever they are called this week should be a feeder team for the Red Bull program, not a home for well past their prime drivers.

[riskyj]

HTP99 said:

He's been given 2 races, I guess if he performs abysmally in Japan he will be out by then, so 1 race!

Where’s that being reported? Seems more than generous to be honest. And to think people were saying he was going to replace Perez!

[Otispunkmeyer]

Danny Ric should go do something else.

Loads of race series about that are enjoyable. Heck I think even NASCAR is more exciting to watch than F1 and everyone in it seems be some kind of Pantomime character. Including the crew chiefs.

[asfault]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Danny Ric should go do something else.

dental adverts, at least he has the skills.

[TheDeuce]

asfault said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Danny Ric should go do something else.

dental adverts, at least he has the skills.

Axe throwing



A minute 30 seconds in for the first throw. Max doesn't do so well here..

[Purosangue]

TheDeuce said:

asfault said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Danny Ric should go do something else.

dental adverts, at least he has the skills.

Axe throwing



A minute 30 seconds in for the first throw. Max doesn't do so well here..

I hear CH is good with a chopper

[skwdenyer]

ThingsBehindTheSun said:

HTP99 said:

He's been given 2 races, I guess if he performs abysmally in Japan he will be out by then, so 1 race!

In that case he is done, to be honest it was crazy to even bring him back after Liam Lawson took over after he broke his hand.

So is this going to be another season where a team pays him not to drive?

The Visa Cash App RB F1 Team, Alpha Tauri, Toro Rosso or whatever they are called this week should be a feeder team for the Red Bull program, not a home for well past their prime drivers.

DR saw of Vettel, and did very well against MV. So the feeling is he has talent. I wonder - given how we struggled against Kviyat - whether he struggles to set up a car? The assumption is he’s got the talent, but somehow it isn’t being unlocked.