Daniel Ricciardo
Discussion
Blib said:
Charles is Ferrari's 'Golden Boy'. Stats or no stats, they were never going to dump him ahead of Sainz.
IMO, Sainz is the most intelligent driver on the grid.
Whichever team he ends up with will get a mighty boost.
Agreed. He drives to the ability of the car, and is very consistent. As we've seen recently he tends to be in a position to take advantage if the opportunity arises (ie. something happens to Max).IMO, Sainz is the most intelligent driver on the grid.
Whichever team he ends up with will get a mighty boost.
I think after the promising start to 2022 Charles got frustrated with the performance gap with Red Bull, tried to over-compensate and made too many errors. Since then it feels like he's lost a bit of confidence. I hope he regains it as it would be great to see him and Lewis go head to head next season.
TheDeuce said:
Anyway, last season CLC beat Sainz by just 6 points, the season before by just 3. That's effectively no difference at all, and if we assume that CLC enjoys even the odd tiny advantage as Ferrari's no1 (I know they claim there isn't one these days), then he should be easily ahead.
In 2022 CLC beat Sainz by 62 points, not 3 
TheDeuce said:
Zetec-S said:
In 2022 CLC beat Sainz by 62 points, not 3
My bad, mis-reading tables on Wikipedia 
Zetec-S said:
TheDeuce said:
Zetec-S said:
In 2022 CLC beat Sainz by 62 points, not 3
My bad, mis-reading tables on Wikipedia Zetec-S said:
TheDeuce said:
Zetec-S said:
In 2022 CLC beat Sainz by 62 points, not 3
My bad, mis-reading tables on Wikipedia If Sainz does go to Merc, I would see that as a good fit. Although even if he does, there's a reasonable chance Max might be there in a year or two, so Sainz could find his tenure cut short again.
Sandpit Steve said:
Zetec-S said:
Trouble is for Daniel, forget about who is to blame, you could argue he shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. He got a really bad start which dropped him back. If I was in charge at RB I could be prepared to stick the crash down as a racing incident, but for a driver with so much hype around him I'd be more concerned at how poorly he got off the line.
As always it’s the day the holes in the cheese all line up, and the accident happens. If he wasn’t already the subject of much speculation after his poor start to the season, then one accident might be okay, but he’s in the position he’s in and still managed to bin it into another driver before the second corner of the race. I do wonder if Helmut is going to be picking up the phone to Liam Lawson before too much longer, because it’s difficult to see the situation improving much in the short term. We’ll miss his big smile on the F1 grid, but sadly smiles don’t score points.
TheDeuce said:
MustangGT said:
paulguitar said:
tele_lover said:
Sainz is better than Lec.
He's not as fast. He's had a cracking start to this season, but CLC historically is the quicker of the two, he has that last 1/10 and that's something that can never be 'learned'. But in purely competitive terms, the value of his occasional epic qualifying performance is so often wiped out entirely by unforced errors. The slowest driver on the grid is definitely the one sat in a car that's wedged into the armco...
Anyway, last season CLC beat Sainz by just 6 points, the season before by just 3. That's effectively no difference at all, and if we assume that CLC enjoys even the odd tiny advantage as Ferrari's no1 (I know they claim there isn't one these days), then he should be easily ahead.
Saintz’ intelligence can’t be denied, in a lot of other forms of motorsport he would be (quite rightly) well valued.
In F1 though, at the sharp end, all the team really need is the absolute fastest driver and the ability of him to do exactly what he’s told.
If Ferrari want a good strategist they’ll employ one for the pit wall.
I still think Saintz and Leclerc is a better pairing than Leclerc and Hamilton but there’s no denying the pulling power and money Lewis will bring.
He should really end up at red bull.
In F1 though, at the sharp end, all the team really need is the absolute fastest driver and the ability of him to do exactly what he’s told.
If Ferrari want a good strategist they’ll employ one for the pit wall.
I still think Saintz and Leclerc is a better pairing than Leclerc and Hamilton but there’s no denying the pulling power and money Lewis will bring.
He should really end up at red bull.
tele_lover said:
TheDeuce said:
MustangGT said:
paulguitar said:
tele_lover said:
Sainz is better than Lec.
He's not as fast. He's had a cracking start to this season, but CLC historically is the quicker of the two, he has that last 1/10 and that's something that can never be 'learned'. But in purely competitive terms, the value of his occasional epic qualifying performance is so often wiped out entirely by unforced errors. The slowest driver on the grid is definitely the one sat in a car that's wedged into the armco...
Anyway, last season CLC beat Sainz by just 6 points, the season before by just 3. That's effectively no difference at all, and if we assume that CLC enjoys even the odd tiny advantage as Ferrari's no1 (I know they claim there isn't one these days), then he should be easily ahead.
PRO5T said:
Saintz’ intelligence can’t be denied, in a lot of other forms of motorsport he would be (quite rightly) well valued.
In F1 though, at the sharp end, all the team really need is the absolute fastest driver and the ability of him to do exactly what he’s told.
If Ferrari want a good strategist they’ll employ one for the pit wall.
I still think Saintz and Leclerc is a better pairing than Leclerc and Hamilton but there’s no denying the pulling power and money Lewis will bring.
He should really end up at red bull.
They should try that sometime.In F1 though, at the sharp end, all the team really need is the absolute fastest driver and the ability of him to do exactly what he’s told.
If Ferrari want a good strategist they’ll employ one for the pit wall.
I still think Saintz and Leclerc is a better pairing than Leclerc and Hamilton but there’s no denying the pulling power and money Lewis will bring.
He should really end up at red bull.
Ferrari's present strategists......
GT3Manthey said:
I definitely think it's the end of Danny Ric.
I'd welcome Lawson being given a shot although it did cross my mind that if RBR boot Perez maybe Lawson gets a shot there.
Not that Perez is doing a bad job . Far from it
If Perez doesn't get his contract renewed then its too early for Lawson to receive the poisoned chalice. He needs at least one full season at RB. I'd welcome Lawson being given a shot although it did cross my mind that if RBR boot Perez maybe Lawson gets a shot there.
Not that Perez is doing a bad job . Far from it
Zetec-S said:
I think Perez will get another year at Red Bull. Their punt on giving DR a 2nd chance hasn't paid off, so providing Checo remains on track for 2nd in the WDC I think he'll be seen as the safest bet for their no. 2 driver.
I think the same, no need to upset the applecart. Yuki getting the seat would be fun to watch but that's not going to happen.Zetec-S said:
I think Perez will get another year at Red Bull. Their punt on giving DR a 2nd chance hasn't paid off, so providing Checo remains on track for 2nd in the WDC I think he'll be seen as the safest bet for their no. 2 driver.
My thinking too. Would seem a bit dumb to let him go given he's doing a decent job & is happy being number 2 whereas the likes of Carlos wouldn't. Really would love to see Lawson in DR's seat soon.
MustangGT said:
paulguitar said:
tele_lover said:
Sainz is better than Lec.
He's not as fast. He's had a cracking start to this season, but CLC historically is the quicker of the two, he has that last 1/10 and that's something that can never be 'learned'. PRO5T said:
Saintz’ intelligence can’t be denied, in a lot of other forms of motorsport he would be (quite rightly) well valued.
In F1 though, at the sharp end, all the team really need is the absolute fastest driver and the ability of him to do exactly what he’s told.
If Ferrari want a good strategist they’ll employ one for the pit wall.
I still think Saintz and Leclerc is a better pairing than Leclerc and Hamilton but there’s no denying the pulling power and money Lewis will bring.
He should really end up at red bull.
It's a bit o/t for this thread but I'll take it. I think if you had the sort of car that Red Bull currently have, you'd want Leclerc in it. You know he can be exceptionally fast. But in a tight fight for the title I'd want Sainz.In F1 though, at the sharp end, all the team really need is the absolute fastest driver and the ability of him to do exactly what he’s told.
If Ferrari want a good strategist they’ll employ one for the pit wall.
I still think Saintz and Leclerc is a better pairing than Leclerc and Hamilton but there’s no denying the pulling power and money Lewis will bring.
He should really end up at red bull.
He just doesn't seem to feel pressure and is hugely consistent, exemplified by Singapore last year, one of the outstanding drives of the season when the odds were against him. He might not pick up the extra points that Charles could on his best days, but you'd rely on him never to throw anything away.
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