Daniel Ricciardo
Discussion
Pflanzgarten said:
Interesting on The Race's podcast this morning they all pretty much accepted Ricciardo won't be in the McLaren next year.
I hope that he can stay in F1 for a few more years.So if Seb does retire, which I think is on the cards...a move to Aston Martin seems the only logical choice.
I can’t see him going back to Alpha Tauri partnering Gasly.
He’s really stuck between a rock & a hard place at the moment.
Edited by Milkyway on Monday 11th July 15:49
Milkyway said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Interesting on The Race's podcast this morning they all pretty much accepted Ricciardo won't be in the McLaren next year.
So if Seb does retire, which I think is on the cards...a logical move to Aston Martin for DR.(Can’t see him going back to Alpha Tauri).
I suspect Ricciardo may move to the USA and go racing there more than move sideways or down the ladder in F1.
Pflanzgarten said:
I think Otmar is doing his best to persuade Seb to stay, pushing that for AMR 2022 is a learning year for '23. Might the rumours of Seb's family attending Austria be an indication of him doing F1 as a family? Kimi did towards the end.
I suspect Ricciardo may move to the USA and go racing there more than move sideways or down the ladder in F1.
I thought that Seb was going to retire at the end of last year, he really seems undecided at the moment... it can’t be fun.I suspect Ricciardo may move to the USA and go racing there more than move sideways or down the ladder in F1.
Perhaps McLaren & DR are seeing what’s going at AM.
Seb did state that his mind would be made up after the Summer break.
(Wouldn’t surprise me if SV set up a extreme E team).
Pflanzgarten said:
Milkyway said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Interesting on The Race's podcast this morning they all pretty much accepted Ricciardo won't be in the McLaren next year.
So if Seb does retire, which I think is on the cards...a logical move to Aston Martin for DR.(Can’t see him going back to Alpha Tauri).
I suspect Ricciardo may move to the USA and go racing there more than move sideways or down the ladder in F1.
Pflanzgarten said:
I think Otmar is doing his best to persuade Seb to stay, pushing that for AMR 2022 is a learning year for '23. Might the rumours of Seb's family attending Austria be an indication of him doing F1 as a family? Kimi did towards the end.
I suspect Ricciardo may move to the USA and go racing there more than move sideways or down the ladder in F1.
Much may depend on if Stroll Sr can raise backing both for the road car company and race team.I suspect Ricciardo may move to the USA and go racing there more than move sideways or down the ladder in F1.
Pflanzgarten said:
Interesting on The Race's podcast this morning they all pretty much accepted Ricciardo won't be in the McLaren next year.
It's a wise move for both parties if he isn't. He hasn't become a s
t driver over night, but if everything he tries with the car just isn't working then there's only going to be so long before a move is inevitable. Where he goes next is the only real question? The choices at the moment seem to be Aston or retirement Milkyway said:
I thought that Seb was going to retire at the end of last year, he really seems undecided at the moment... it can’t be fun.
Perhaps McLaren & DR are seeing what’s going at AM.
Seb did state that his mind would be made up after the Summer break.
(Wouldn’t surprise me if SV set up a extreme E team).
Another thing mentioned on The Race podcast this week was Seb walking out of the drivers meeting, his words before he left were something along the lines of 'I've been dealing with this for the last 15 years, I'm done with it now'Perhaps McLaren & DR are seeing what’s going at AM.
Seb did state that his mind would be made up after the Summer break.
(Wouldn’t surprise me if SV set up a extreme E team).
It may well have just been frustration bringing it out but it wouldn't be a shock if he does decide he's had enough this season. He'll be employed as a brand ambassador for Aston for a nice lump of cash for a while and disappear to play with his classic motorbikes. Good luck to him if he does.
DanielSan said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Interesting on The Race's podcast this morning they all pretty much accepted Ricciardo won't be in the McLaren next year.
It's a wise move for both parties if he isn't. He hasn't become a st driver over night, but if everything he tries with the car just isn't working then there's only going to be so long before a move is inevitable. Where he goes next is the only real question? The choices at the moment seem to be Aston or retirement I honestly don’t know these days-as recently as a couple of years ago a WDC in the team would be a huge draw for a team and their sponsors-Kimi basically made a career out of it as did Button.
Now, I’m not so sure?
DanielSan said:
Another thing mentioned on The Race podcast this week was Seb walking out of the drivers meeting, his words before he left were something along the lines of 'I've been dealing with this for the last 15 years, I'm done with it now'
It may well have just been frustration bringing it out but it wouldn't be a shock if he does decide he's had enough this season. He'll be employed as a brand ambassador for Aston for a nice lump of cash for a while and disappear to play with his classic motorbikes. Good luck to him if he does.
I didn’t even think of it like that. Interesting.It may well have just been frustration bringing it out but it wouldn't be a shock if he does decide he's had enough this season. He'll be employed as a brand ambassador for Aston for a nice lump of cash for a while and disappear to play with his classic motorbikes. Good luck to him if he does.
Dermot O'Logical said:
Colten Herta is having a McLaren test at Portimao right now...
Colton has real speed but has a tendency to bin it in crucial situations as it stands.He's also only 10th in the Indycar championship, behind Alex Rossi (his team-mate)
I may be wrong, but I can't see them going for him in 2023.
To use an oft-repeated phrase in this situation, I expect Mclaren and Ricciardo are both 'considering their options'.
If Mclaren can get Piastri for more than one year without selling their soul to Alpine I am sure they'd go for that, but that's a big 'if'. The two teams are in the closest battle in the constructors' at the moment, equal on points right now.
Alpine can send Piastri to Williams and gain a customer for their wares into the bargain.
I am sure Zak Brown would like to take the opportunity to get Herta or O'Ward in, if he can be convinced of their suitability for F1- but again, that's a big 'if'. I don't believe O'Ward is eligible for a superlicence although Herta must be a possibility as he's been connected to the drive repeatedly. The ongoing test is probably allowing him to fulfil the F1 running component of the licence eligibility requirements.
However Ricciardo has been better in the past than he has been for Mclaren so far and in my opinion there must be considerable frustration on both sides that he is not showing his potential. He's a popular driver and he's not a liability. They probably don't feel that they need to turf him out at all costs- a better option has to present itself.
That said, maybe Ricciardo himself has called time on the Mclaren drive or will do so by the end of the season. Perhaps that's why Mclaren are courting driver selections which are arguably no better than Ricciardo- blooding Alpine's rookie and then losing him after a year? Cannibalising their own Indycar team and transplanting to Europe a driver who will be new to F1?
If Mclaren can get Piastri for more than one year without selling their soul to Alpine I am sure they'd go for that, but that's a big 'if'. The two teams are in the closest battle in the constructors' at the moment, equal on points right now.
Alpine can send Piastri to Williams and gain a customer for their wares into the bargain.
I am sure Zak Brown would like to take the opportunity to get Herta or O'Ward in, if he can be convinced of their suitability for F1- but again, that's a big 'if'. I don't believe O'Ward is eligible for a superlicence although Herta must be a possibility as he's been connected to the drive repeatedly. The ongoing test is probably allowing him to fulfil the F1 running component of the licence eligibility requirements.
However Ricciardo has been better in the past than he has been for Mclaren so far and in my opinion there must be considerable frustration on both sides that he is not showing his potential. He's a popular driver and he's not a liability. They probably don't feel that they need to turf him out at all costs- a better option has to present itself.
That said, maybe Ricciardo himself has called time on the Mclaren drive or will do so by the end of the season. Perhaps that's why Mclaren are courting driver selections which are arguably no better than Ricciardo- blooding Alpine's rookie and then losing him after a year? Cannibalising their own Indycar team and transplanting to Europe a driver who will be new to F1?
Muzzer79 said:
Colton has real speed but has a tendency to bin it in crucial situations as it stands.
He's also only 10th in the Indycar championship, behind Alex Rossi (his team-mate)
I may be wrong, but I can't see them going for him in 2023.
Lando is clearly #1 at McLaren but Zak has never hidden how keen he is for an American driver. Herta could fulfil that role and the marketing angle perfectly and I'm sure be much closer to Norris.He's also only 10th in the Indycar championship, behind Alex Rossi (his team-mate)
I may be wrong, but I can't see them going for him in 2023.
Pflanzgarten said:
DanielSan said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Interesting on The Race's podcast this morning they all pretty much accepted Ricciardo won't be in the McLaren next year.
It's a wise move for both parties if he isn't. He hasn't become a st driver over night, but if everything he tries with the car just isn't working then there's only going to be so long before a move is inevitable. Where he goes next is the only real question? The choices at the moment seem to be Aston or retirement I honestly don’t know these days-as recently as a couple of years ago a WDC in the team would be a huge draw for a team and their sponsors-Kimi basically made a career out of it as did Button.
Now, I’m not so sure?
DanielSan said:
Another thing mentioned on The Race podcast this week was Seb walking out of the drivers meeting, his words before he left were something along the lines of 'I've been dealing with this for the last 15 years, I'm done with it now'
It may well have just been frustration bringing it out but it wouldn't be a shock if he does decide he's had enough this season. He'll be employed as a brand ambassador for Aston for a nice lump of cash for a while and disappear to play with his classic motorbikes. Good luck to him if he does.
I didn’t even think of it like that. Interesting.It may well have just been frustration bringing it out but it wouldn't be a shock if he does decide he's had enough this season. He'll be employed as a brand ambassador for Aston for a nice lump of cash for a while and disappear to play with his classic motorbikes. Good luck to him if he does.
DanielSan said:
Ricciardo fans are younger so will aspire to own Aston's in the future
Honestly that is the absolute furthest from their concerns right now. It's quite feasible unless they can find investors AM may well go into bankruptcy soon. Just Google Aston Martin financial position...though they are trying hard to get Saudi money https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business/exclus...
cgt2 said:
DanielSan said:
Ricciardo fans are younger so will aspire to own Aston's in the future
Honestly that is the absolute furthest from their concerns right now. It's quite feasible unless they can find investors AM may well go into bankruptcy soon. Just Google Aston Martin financial position...though they are trying hard to get Saudi money https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business/exclus...
Audi preferring to buy an existing team... I think AM & Alpine was on their list, rumours of McLaren as well.
( But that was a few weeks ago)
Milkyway said:
Porsche & Audi want to enter F1...
Audi preferring to buy an existing team... I think AM & Alpine was on their list, rumours of McLaren as well.
( But that was a few weeks ago)
The latest is that Porsche are going into partnership with Red Bull, to be announced soon, and that Audi are incrementing towards a controlling stake in Sauber, which will be Audi branded and Audi powered from 2026. Audi preferring to buy an existing team... I think AM & Alpine was on their list, rumours of McLaren as well.
( But that was a few weeks ago)
HustleRussell said:
Milkyway said:
Porsche & Audi want to enter F1...
Audi preferring to buy an existing team... I think AM & Alpine was on their list, rumours of McLaren as well.
( But that was a few weeks ago)
The latest is that Porsche are going into partnership with Red Bull, to be announced soon, and that Audi are incrementing towards a controlling stake in Sauber, which will be Audi branded and Audi powered from 2026. Audi preferring to buy an existing team... I think AM & Alpine was on their list, rumours of McLaren as well.
( But that was a few weeks ago)
So, if DR can stay in F1 for next year... there’s always a bit of hope for the future.
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 12th July 00:33
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