Daniel Ricciardo
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
An interesting video from Danny's own youtube channel a couple of years ago, just before he joined McLaren, where he gets properly beaten at karting by a retired Button. What's interesting is the ribbing he gets about his car setup knowledge, and there's obviously another related story that JB is holding back.
Couple of things:The changing surface grip probably suited Jensen
Jensen was familiar with the track
Was Ricc used to Rotax? He was not on top of the Rotax technique.
But most tellingly...Does Ricc listen.?. The analyst said he was not using all the track up to the barrier, compromising his times, and he still chose not to???
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.Dermot O'Logical said:
cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.Dermot O'Logical said:
cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.McLaren could benefit from someone like a Mr Ron Dennis. Laser focus.
PhilAsia said:
thegreenhell said:
An interesting video from Danny's own youtube channel a couple of years ago, just before he joined McLaren, where he gets properly beaten at karting by a retired Button. What's interesting is the ribbing he gets about his car setup knowledge, and there's obviously another related story that JB is holding back.
Couple of things:The changing surface grip probably suited Jensen
Jensen was familiar with the track
Was Ricc used to Rotax? He was not on top of the Rotax technique.
But most tellingly...Does Ricc listen.?. The analyst said he was not using all the track up to the barrier, compromising his times, and he still chose not to???
F1 is so competitive now that unless you are the full package you won’t make it.
That video does seem to highlight some obvious weaknesses!
cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.I didn't.
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
I doubt he's 'arguing' in the literal sense. More likely his lawyers have simply acted in a routine manner to order the payment now it's become due as result of McLaren triggering the condition that makes it due!Obviously it more of a headline if it looks like DR is 'going to war' over it but it seems like it's fairly black and white to me. Unless his own legal team have been as hopeless as McLarens.
Stan the Bat said:
Did we all think he was going to be so bad though ?
I didn't.
Even Senna and Hakkinen had performance clauses in their McLaren contracts (Senna in 1988, he later turned the tables on Ron in 1993 with a race by race threat not to participate, Hakkinen in later years). As mentioned above Ron Dennis did not make such mistakes.I didn't.
C Lee Farquar said:
Zak doesn't seem a mug to me, I'd be surprised if Mclaren are in as big a hole as is being reported.
He doesn’t come across as a mug, quite the opposite in fact. Yet he’s apparently signed under-contract drivers in two different series, has more drivers than seats available, and current drivers he’s upset. I believe Tim Murnane is still the McLaren in house counsel and he has well over twenty five years of contract experience. I doubt McLaren have any real issues more like media speculation. Most driver contracts are not watertight and there is always room for negotiations and exits. Just ask Brian Jones from IMG who used to write the SCHUMACHER contracts.
I'm wondering if McLaren might have a provision in DR's contract that allows them to "loan him out to another team"? That would enable McL to be paid some of the (not the full) salary by the team who borrows DR. That would provide some mitigation.
Alternatively as some have mentioned perhaps a stint in Formula E or Indy Car under the McLaren umbrella.
As always in these situations we would love to know what's in those contracts!
Alternatively as some have mentioned perhaps a stint in Formula E or Indy Car under the McLaren umbrella.
As always in these situations we would love to know what's in those contracts!
Likes Fast Cars said:
I'm wondering if McLaren might have a provision in DR's contract that allows them to "loan him out to another team"? That would enable McL to be paid some of the (not the full) salary by the team who borrows DR.
From what I have read from a couple of sources now that appears to be exactly the case. If DR moves to another team then anything that team pay him goes back to McLaren up to the $20mill he is owed for a drive with them.DR could sit next year out on that $20mill but I think if he does that his F1 career is over.
Evercross said:
From what I have read from a couple of sources now that appears to be exactly the case. If DR moves to another team then anything that team pay him goes back to McLaren up to the $20mill he is owed for a drive with them.
DR could sit next year out on that $20mill but I think if he does that his F1 career is over.
It's so highly competitive and sitting it out would (IMHO) be the end for him in F1.DR could sit next year out on that $20mill but I think if he does that his F1 career is over.
He's a good driver, talented, but this year hasn't been kind to him and I suspect he may be approaching his use-by date.
It's a shame as he seems a decent enough guy, but that's how it is in the rough and tumble of F1.
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