Daniel Ricciardo

Daniel Ricciardo

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PhilAsia

3,840 posts

76 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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thegreenhell said:
An interesting video from Danny's own youtube channel a couple of years ago, just before he joined McLaren, where he gets properly beaten at karting by a retired Button. What's interesting is the ribbing he gets about his car setup knowledge, and there's obviously another related story that JB is holding back.

Couple of things:

The changing surface grip probably suited Jensen

Jensen was familiar with the track

Was Ricc used to Rotax? He was not on top of the Rotax technique.

But most tellingly...Does Ricc listen.?. The analyst said he was not using all the track up to the barrier, compromising his times, and he still chose not to???



carl_w

9,195 posts

259 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Looking at his record it appears Danny Ric wasn't particularly successful in karting, whereas Button's record looks pretty stellar.

Jasandjules

69,931 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.

cgt2

7,101 posts

189 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.

Dermot O'Logical

2,587 posts

130 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.
McLaren do seem rather exposed and vulnerable to "expensive business mistakes" don't they?

deadslow

8,009 posts

224 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.
sloppy. Could show that below Mercedes/Redbull the attention to detail is not there (yet)

Likes Fast Cars

2,772 posts

166 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Dermot O'Logical said:
cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.
McLaren do seem rather exposed and vulnerable to "expensive business mistakes" don't they?
And you could possibly add Alpine to that list.

Jasandjules

69,931 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.
Indeed the page I read said only he had a break clause and they didn't?!!? WTAF? I mean, when you are negotiating the contract did they not look at his break clause and go, hey, why don't we have one of those? (assuming what is being said is true of course!).


Bo_apex

2,568 posts

219 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Dermot O'Logical said:
cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.
McLaren do seem rather exposed and vulnerable to "expensive business mistakes" don't they?
They sure do. Decisions made by committees often get poor results.
McLaren could benefit from someone like a Mr Ron Dennis. Laser focus.

MuttWagon

62 posts

61 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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PhilAsia said:
thegreenhell said:
An interesting video from Danny's own youtube channel a couple of years ago, just before he joined McLaren, where he gets properly beaten at karting by a retired Button. What's interesting is the ribbing he gets about his car setup knowledge, and there's obviously another related story that JB is holding back.

Couple of things:

The changing surface grip probably suited Jensen

Jensen was familiar with the track

Was Ricc used to Rotax? He was not on top of the Rotax technique.

But most tellingly...Does Ricc listen.?. The analyst said he was not using all the track up to the barrier, compromising his times, and he still chose not to???
I have always been a big fan of Danny’s but I do wonder if the red bull suited his driving style and he was never able to adapt to or help develop the Renault and McLaren.

F1 is so competitive now that unless you are the full package you won’t make it.

That video does seem to highlight some obvious weaknesses!

Stan the Bat

8,935 posts

213 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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cgt2 said:
Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
An expensive business mistake for McLaren. Even World Champions had performance clauses in their contracts. To bet so much on Ricciardo with no contingency was brave.
Did we all think he was going to be so bad though ?

I didn't.

FourWheelDrift

88,554 posts

285 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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They could always put him in their Formula E team. He's still a McLaren contracted driver.

TheDeuce

21,734 posts

67 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Jasandjules said:
Just seen a page saying he is now arguing about getting his 20m for next season paid to leave...... Can't see why he would not get it TBH.
I doubt he's 'arguing' in the literal sense. More likely his lawyers have simply acted in a routine manner to order the payment now it's become due as result of McLaren triggering the condition that makes it due!

Obviously it more of a headline if it looks like DR is 'going to war' over it but it seems like it's fairly black and white to me. Unless his own legal team have been as hopeless as McLarens.

cgt2

7,101 posts

189 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Stan the Bat said:
Did we all think he was going to be so bad though ?

I didn't.
Even Senna and Hakkinen had performance clauses in their McLaren contracts (Senna in 1988, he later turned the tables on Ron in 1993 with a race by race threat not to participate, Hakkinen in later years). As mentioned above Ron Dennis did not make such mistakes.

C Lee Farquar

4,069 posts

217 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Zak doesn't seem a mug to me, I'd be surprised if Mclaren are in as big a hole as is being reported.

Sandpit Steve

10,104 posts

75 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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C Lee Farquar said:
Zak doesn't seem a mug to me, I'd be surprised if Mclaren are in as big a hole as is being reported.
He doesn’t come across as a mug, quite the opposite in fact. Yet he’s apparently signed under-contract drivers in two different series, has more drivers than seats available, and current drivers he’s upset.

belleair302

6,847 posts

208 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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I believe Tim Murnane is still the McLaren in house counsel and he has well over twenty five years of contract experience. I doubt McLaren have any real issues more like media speculation. Most driver contracts are not watertight and there is always room for negotiations and exits. Just ask Brian Jones from IMG who used to write the SCHUMACHER contracts.

Likes Fast Cars

2,772 posts

166 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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I'm wondering if McLaren might have a provision in DR's contract that allows them to "loan him out to another team"? That would enable McL to be paid some of the (not the full) salary by the team who borrows DR. That would provide some mitigation.

Alternatively as some have mentioned perhaps a stint in Formula E or Indy Car under the McLaren umbrella.

As always in these situations we would love to know what's in those contracts!


Evercross

6,011 posts

65 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Likes Fast Cars said:
I'm wondering if McLaren might have a provision in DR's contract that allows them to "loan him out to another team"? That would enable McL to be paid some of the (not the full) salary by the team who borrows DR.
From what I have read from a couple of sources now that appears to be exactly the case. If DR moves to another team then anything that team pay him goes back to McLaren up to the $20mill he is owed for a drive with them.

DR could sit next year out on that $20mill but I think if he does that his F1 career is over.

Likes Fast Cars

2,772 posts

166 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Evercross said:
From what I have read from a couple of sources now that appears to be exactly the case. If DR moves to another team then anything that team pay him goes back to McLaren up to the $20mill he is owed for a drive with them.

DR could sit next year out on that $20mill but I think if he does that his F1 career is over.
It's so highly competitive and sitting it out would (IMHO) be the end for him in F1.

He's a good driver, talented, but this year hasn't been kind to him and I suspect he may be approaching his use-by date.

It's a shame as he seems a decent enough guy, but that's how it is in the rough and tumble of F1.