Daniel Ricciardo

[APOLO1]

C Lee Farquar said:

Zak doesn't seem a mug to me, I'd be surprised if Mclaren are in as big a hole as is being reported.

Exactly,
Even if they have to pay Ric out, pay the new Kid and compensation to Alpine. It will still work out cheaper than what they would have had to pay Ric in his 3rd year.

[thegreenhell]

APOLO1 said:

C Lee Farquar said:

Zak doesn't seem a mug to me, I'd be surprised if Mclaren are in as big a hole as is being reported.

Exactly,
Even if they have to pay Ric out, pay the new Kid and compensation to Alpine. It will still work out cheaper than what they would have had to pay Ric in his 3rd year.

It will only be cheaper for them if Ricc gets a big $ contract from somewhere else, and they will then be able to reduce their payout to him by that amount. Otherwise, if Ricc decides to sit on the bench for a year they will end up paying him his full 3rd year contract, plus the new kid and any potential compo to Alpine for the new kid's antics. If they have three drivers signed for next year then they need to pay for three drivers one way or another.

That's pretty much what happened to Kimi when he took his sabbatical. Ferrari paid him in full not to drive in F1 for a year.

[HustleRussell]

I feel that there's a bit of re-writing of history with Ricciardo. There seem to be people out there who suggest he hasn't been any good since he left Red Bull, but I remember him doing a pretty good turn in the Renault for two years.

It seems to be something about the Mclaren or something about the 2022 regulations which he is incompatible with.

Obviously the very best drivers are pretty much able to beat any team mate in any car, so I have had to de-rate Ricciardo accordingly... but people talk about him as though he's some kind of donkey now and I don't like it.

[vulture1]

Funny on here with more likely long term f1 fans the concensus overall is that he has lost it or just hasn't quite got it anymore. He had his chances and alot of support/time from Mclaren.

The jonny come lately fans on facebook posts and blogs about it all love him and hate Mclaren for "what they are doing to him"

[Likes Fast Cars]

HustleRussell said:

I feel that there's a bit of re-writing of history with Ricciardo. There seem to be people out there who suggest he hasn't been any good since he left Red Bull, but I remember him doing a pretty good turn in the Renault for two years.

It seems to be something about the Mclaren or something about the 2022 regulations which he is incompatible with.

Obviously the very best drivers are pretty much able to beat any team mate in any car, so I have had to de-rate Ricciardo accordingly... but people talk about him as though he's some kind of donkey now and I don't like it.

He did alright at Renault, landed a podium, and had that win last year with McL. People have short memories but I have to say he really hasn't looked (or delivered) the goods this year.

[FourWheelDrift]

Still, bound to be deals now on Ricciardo merch on the McLaren store.

[APOLO1]

thegreenhell said:

It will only be cheaper for them if Ricc gets a big $ contract from somewhere else, and they will then be able to reduce their payout to him by that amount. Otherwise, if Ricc decides to sit on the bench for a year they will end up paying him his full 3rd year contract, plus the new kid and any potential compo to Alpine for the new kid's antics. If they have three drivers signed for next year then they need to pay for three drivers one way or another.

That's pretty much what happened to Kimi when he took his sabbatical. Ferrari paid him in full not to drive in F1 for a year.

From what I understated in his 3rd year hes gets paid more than his first 2.

Lets hope this new Kid can deliver the goods. Would not be at all surprised to see him struggle to get to grips with the Mac F1 car, after all its no like Ric forgot how to drive fast he just never had confidence in the car.

Edited by APOLO1 on Friday 12th August 15:03

[ghost83]

I personally don’t like how Mclaren treat their drivers, they did the same with Jenson and stoffel! I personally would have kept a wdc over a rookie! And ricciardo is their last race winner they should remember when lando was going to win he showed his inexperience and ended up making the wrong call in the wet conditions

Likewise I think Mclaren need to sort their car rather than just get rid of ricciardo however I do think he made a huge mistake leaving redbull

[Likes Fast Cars]

ghost83 said:

Likewise I think Mclaren need to sort their car rather than just get rid of ricciardo however I do think he made a huge mistake leaving redbull

Norris has done remarkably well this season (and last season too, poor strategy calls aside), I've always rated him very highly in fact I dare say (cue the experts to shoot me down!) Lando is a better driver than George Russell in many respects.

I wonder how DR would be going against MV if they had stayed together at RB? I doubt DR would be in the hunt for a title and even possibly be out of a race seat by now, I may be wrong. I had the sense that RB was a toxic environment back then led by the Evil Dr Marko who clearly favoured Max.

[hot metal]

HustleRussell said:

I feel that there's a bit of re-writing of history with Ricciardo. There seem to be people out there who suggest he hasn't been any good since he left Red Bull, but I remember him doing a pretty good turn in the Renault for two years.

It seems to be something about the Mclaren or something about the 2022 regulations which he is incompatible with.

Obviously the very best drivers are pretty much able to beat any team mate in any car, so I have had to de-rate Ricciardo accordingly... but people talk about him as though he's some kind of donkey now and I don't like it.

Lando has stated the Mclaren is hard work, both this year and last, he has adapted to it better. Ricc just does not have confidence in the car, never knowing for sure how it is going to react, .

[SmoothCriminal]

Riccardo has been beaten comprehensively by a less experienced team mate over 2 era's of F1 rules and hardly set the world alight at Renault.

How can he not have "confidence" when it's a completely different car.

Oh but he doesn't have confidence in the car lol this is someone who people say is a future world champion who at some point can't even get within 6 tenths of his team mate.

[Evercross]

hot metal said:

Lando has stated the Mclaren is hard work, both this year and last, he has adapted to it better. Ricc just does not have confidence in the car, never knowing for sure how it is going to react, .

A car that is potentially fast but "hard work" is sometimes just the way it has to be, and many a WDC has been won in such way. I think that rule changes bring new challenges to drivers and their styles and very often their inability or reluctance to learn how to get the best from a car designed around a novel set of rules is translated into the car itself being "difficult".

I remember when Alex Zanardi drove for Williams and he just could not get to grips with carbon/ceramic brake discs and the completely different approach to braking required to get the best from them, for example.

[Dermot O'Logical]

Planet F1 detect the hand of Flavio Briatore at the centre of this:

https://www.planetf1.com/news/oscar-piastri-flavio...

[GCH]

Dermot O'Logical said:

Planet F1 detect the hand of Flavio Briatore at the centre of this:

https://www.planetf1.com/news/oscar-piastri-flavio...

You mean the banned for life Flavio Briatore....

[Dermot O'Logical]

GCH said:

Dermot O'Logical said:

Planet F1 detect the hand of Flavio Briatore at the centre of this:

https://www.planetf1.com/news/oscar-piastri-flavio...

You mean the banned for life Flavio Briatore....

Well if "Banned for life" means "Free to wander around the Paddock as if he owned the place", yes.

The old serial supermodel botherer does seem to have been in evidence at a few recent races, having earnest discussions with a few prominent drivers, managers and Team Principals.

Does he still manage Alonso?

[thegreenhell]

His ban was overturned in the European courts years ago.

[MustangGT]

ghost83 said:

Likewise I think Mclaren need to sort their car rather than just get rid of ricciardo however I do think he made a huge mistake leaving redbull

Why would he stay at RB when, at the time of taking the decision, he was ahead of Max on points and had just been told that Max was the new 'god' and he, DR, must play 2nd fiddle?

He had to leave, or kiss good bye to any WDC aspirations.

[suffolk009]

Martin Brundle once said, "It's bloody difficult to get a seat in F1. It's even harder to stay there."

[HTP99]

MustangGT said:

ghost83 said:

Likewise I think Mclaren need to sort their car rather than just get rid of ricciardo however I do think he made a huge mistake leaving redbull

Why would he stay at RB when, at the time of taking the decision, he was ahead of Max on points and had just been told that Max was the new 'god' and he, DR, must play 2nd fiddle?

He had to leave, or kiss good bye to any WDC aspirations.

Yep, I don't know why some can't grasp this, he left Red Bull as it was all about Max, Daniel had no chance there, better to leave and have at least a chance elsewhere, no matter how slim.

[thiscocks]

Evercross said:

hot metal said:

Lando has stated the Mclaren is hard work, both this year and last, he has adapted to it better. Ricc just does not have confidence in the car, never knowing for sure how it is going to react, .

A car that is potentially fast but "hard work" is sometimes just the way it has to be, and many a WDC has been won in such way. I think that rule changes bring new challenges to drivers and their styles and very often their inability or reluctance to learn how to get the best from a car designed around a novel set of rules is translated into the car itself being "difficult".

I remember when Alex Zanardi drove for Williams and he just could not get to grips with carbon/ceramic brake discs and the completely different approach to braking required to get the best from them, for example.

Zanardi was out of F1 for over 3 years so you could understand his struggles. Ricciardo has way more experience of F1 cars than his younger team mate so has no excuses.