Daniel Ricciardo

[Pflanzgarten]

Bonefish Blues said:

pablo said:

If rumours are true, Perez isn't going to be at Dead Bull next year....Verstappen still "furious " etc etc and we know he's in charge there. Signing Danny was more than just insurance should Perez walk. No seats left now either so RB can drop him and he's toast so he has to toe the line.

I read them too and thought the same.

Reading between the lines I'm not so sure Ricciardo is being lined up as Perez's replacement but he's without a doubt, Marko's insurance policy against any st from Perez.

[Bonefish Blues]

Pflanzgarten said:

Bonefish Blues said:

pablo said:

If rumours are true, Perez isn't going to be at Dead Bull next year....Verstappen still "furious " etc etc and we know he's in charge there. Signing Danny was more than just insurance should Perez walk. No seats left now either so RB can drop him and he's toast so he has to toe the line.

I read them too and thought the same.

Reading between the lines I'm not so sure Ricciardo is being lined up as Perez's replacement but he's without a doubt, Marko's insurance policy against any st from Perez.

I'm sure it's been rehearsed elsewhere, but the whole thing's a real insight into RB and MV's grip on it - an unhealthy grip, perhaps.

[joema]

Unhealthy? Does it matter in the present if he's winning titles?

[Fundoreen]

This is some sort of face saving favour by red bull to a former driver. Can be viewed by imaginative DR fans, and the rabid max fans trying to deflect from their heros pathetic behaviour the last couple of races,.as some sort of fallback if Perez somehow is let go ,but in reality they would have to pay SP off his full 2 years wages and loose all the red bull sales in mexico.
And still get booooo's the whole weekend in mexico,and elsewhere. Fans are not stupid,they know a 2x WDC tt when they see one.
More like DR will replace max when he goes off for a sulk one day.

[paulguitar]

joema said:

Unhealthy? Does it matter in the present if he's winning titles?

To many people, not at all. To others, as Mathew Syed recently wrote in The Times 'The older one gets, the more one realises that it is not winning that matters in life, but the way one conducts oneself.'


Can't argue with the numbers Verstappen is racking up. The rest of it is a matter of personal opinion.

[Bonefish Blues]

paulguitar said:

joema said:

Unhealthy? Does it matter in the present if he's winning titles?

To many people, not at all. To others, as Mathew Syed recently wrote in The Times 'The older one gets, the more one realises that it is not winning that matters in life, but the way one conducts oneself.'


Can't argue with the numbers Verstappen is racking up. The rest of it is a matter of personal opinion.

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

[What The Deuces]

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

[paulguitar]

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Indeed, he played a significant role in putting himself into the tyres at Copse. Plenty of other drivers would have chosen to go through that corner, as has been done many times before in similar circumstances, and retake the position going into Stowe. He had a car advantage that day and would have almost certainly won the race.

[PhilAsia]

paulguitar said:

joema said:

Unhealthy? Does it matter in the present if he's winning titles?

To many people, not at all. To others, as Mathew Syed recently wrote in The Times 'The older one gets, the more one realises that it is not winning that matters in life, but the way one conducts oneself.'


Can't argue with the numbers Verstappen is racking up. The rest of it is a matter of personal opinion.

It is not the titles people object to, it is the way in which they were won. Max, Horner and Marko (and a few on PH sadly) also seem to think that everyone should erase their memory of F1's championship integrity being compromised and just remember the results. It does not work that way.

Then there is Max, who seems to be becoming more stubbornly nasty as his career unfolds. Great as he is, and he is great when he races sportingly, Max should look in the mirror and review his conduct as Paul's quote suggests - both on and off the track.

[PhilAsia]

Bonefish Blues said:

paulguitar said:

joema said:

Unhealthy? Does it matter in the present if he's winning titles?

To many people, not at all. To others, as Mathew Syed recently wrote in The Times 'The older one gets, the more one realises that it is not winning that matters in life, but the way one conducts oneself.'


Can't argue with the numbers Verstappen is racking up. The rest of it is a matter of personal opinion.

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

In Monza 2021, Lewis would probably be dead or seriously injured. F1 cars are not headgear.

[HustleRussell]

paulguitar said:

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Indeed, he played a significant role in putting himself into the tyres at Copse. Plenty of other drivers would have chosen to go through that corner, as has been done many times before in similar circumstances, and retake the position going into Stowe. He had a car advantage that day and would have almost certainly won the race.

We saw what happens when the shoe is on the other foot- Brazil 2021. Hamilton avoided Verstappen's accident and won the race.

[PhilAsia]

HustleRussell said:

paulguitar said:

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Indeed, he played a significant role in putting himself into the tyres at Copse. Plenty of other drivers would have chosen to go through that corner, as has been done many times before in similar circumstances, and retake the position going into Stowe. He had a car advantage that day and would have almost certainly won the race.

We saw what happens when the shoe is on the other foot- Brazil 2021. Hamilton avoided Verstappen's accident and won the race.

Hamilton, sooooo clean! A sportsman!!

[Henson]

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Drivers racing in close proximity and hitting each other at varying speeds while vying for corners isn't exactly new in F1, let alone any other racing series.

Dunno about anyone else but I was thinking more of doing something like - oh, let's have a think - unexpectedly brake-testing another competitor in a high speed area of track, with concrete walls either side and no run off. Yep, certainly scope for a big accident when you drive like that.

(Top Tip - if you're going to try this, it's probably best to blame the other driver when they hit you up the chuff and also get the team boss to lie about the telemetry, though. Works a treat, sucks everyone into the narrative and you can finish your race, scoop up some points AND not get any further penalties. You've got to hand it to them - fiendish and genius!)

[PhilAsia]

Henson said:

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Drivers racing in close proximity and hitting each other at varying speeds while vying for corners isn't exactly new in F1, let alone any other racing series.

Dunno about anyone else but I was thinking more of doing something like - oh, let's have a think - unexpectedly brake-testing another competitor in a high speed area of track, with concrete walls either side and no run off. Yep, certainly scope for a big accident when you drive like that.

(Top Tip - if you're going to try this, it's probably best to blame the other driver when they hit you up the chuff and also get the team boss to lie about the telemetry, though. Works a treat, sucks everyone into the narrative and you can finish your race, scoop up some points AND not get any further penalties. You've got to hand it to them - fiendish and genius!)

The real new normal...

[PhilAsia]

PhilAsia said:

Henson said:

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Drivers racing in close proximity and hitting each other at varying speeds while vying for corners isn't exactly new in F1, let alone any other racing series.

Dunno about anyone else but I was thinking more of doing something like - oh, let's have a think - unexpectedly brake-testing another competitor in a high speed area of track, with concrete walls either side and no run off. Yep, certainly scope for a big accident when you drive like that.

(Top Tip - if you're going to try this, it's probably best to blame the other driver when they hit you up the chuff and also get the team boss to lie about the telemetry, though. Works a treat, sucks everyone into the narrative and you can finish your race, scoop up some points AND not get any further penalties. You've got to hand it to them - fiendish and genius!)

The real Max' new normal...

My mistake...

[C70R]

Phil - you're literally quoting yourself in a desperate bid to troll Max's fans.

Do you think that might be a sign to stop?

[What The Deuces]

Henson said:

What The Deuces said:

Bonefish Blues said:

About that.

There's also just that niggling doubt/fear in the back of my mind that he will one day cause a big accident.

You mean like punting someone into the wall at Silverstone?

Drivers racing in close proximity and hitting each other at varying speeds while vying for corners isn't exactly new in F1, let alone any other racing series.

Dunno about anyone else but I was thinking more of doing something like - oh, let's have a think - unexpectedly brake-testing another competitor in a high speed area of track, with concrete walls either side and no run off. Yep, certainly scope for a big accident when you drive like that.

(Top Tip - if you're going to try this, it's probably best to blame the other driver when they hit you up the chuff and also get the team boss to lie about the telemetry, though. Works a treat, sucks everyone into the narrative and you can finish your race, scoop up some points AND not get any further penalties. You've got to hand it to them - fiendish and genius!)

So Lewis has never brake tested anyone or lied to the stewards about anything? A shining light of virtue

[paulguitar]

What The Deuces said:

So Lewis has never brake tested anyone or

Not that I'm aware of. Do you have other info?

What The Deuces said:

lied to the stewards about anything?

He lied to the stewards, once.

In 2009.

[What The Deuces]

paulguitar said:

What The Deuces said:

So Lewis has never brake tested anyone or

Not that I'm aware of. Do you have other info?

What The Deuces said:

lied to the stewards about anything?

He lied to the stewards, once.

In 2009.

A different view of a younger Hamilton https://bleacherreport.com/articles/369545-lewis-h...


As I said previously, I'll judge Max against Lewis when Max has finished growing up also.

[mw88]

C70R said:

Phil - you're literally quoting yourself in a desperate bid to troll Max's fans.

Do you think that might be a sign to stop?

That's all F1 threads are these days. Tedious attempts at winding up the opposing fan club.