Daniel Ricciardo
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What The Deuces said:
A different view of a younger Hamilton
Okay, you've posted a comically inept hatchet job from someone who clearly has an axe to grind. You have, however, failed to answer the question asked, which was
'Has Hamilton brake-tested anyone'?
What The Deuces said:
As I said previously, I'll judge Max against Lewis when Max has finished growing up also.
Verstappen has to date competed in more Grands Prix than Ayton Senna, Hakkinen, Brundle, Reuteman, Emerson Fittipaldi, Mario Andretti, Damon Hill, Alan Jones, Keke Rosberg, Jackie Stewart, and others did in their entire careers. If he's not 'finished growing up', you might have a long wait expecting him to do so. paulguitar said:
Verstappen has to date competed in more Grands Prix than Ayton Senna, Hakkinen, Brundle, Reuteman, Emerson Fittipaldi, Mario Andretti, Damon Hill, Alan Jones, Keke Rosberg, Jackie Stewart, and others did in their entire careers. If he's not 'finished growing up', you might have a long wait expecting him to do so.
What on earth has that got to do with it? He's 25 years old, the number of races he's done has little bearing on his emotional development and his self awareness as a human being. Damon was married with a wife and kids and in his 30's before he drove an f1 car.What a silly comparison
PhilAsia said:
It is not the titles people object to, it is the way in which they were won. Max, Horner and Marko (and a few on PH sadly) also seem to think that everyone should erase their memory of F1's championship integrity being compromised and just remember the results. It does not work that way.
When a team has a top driver, a special talent and as long as they are kept competitively and financially satisfied then they will be in thrall and defend them as we have seen with Senna/McLaren, Schumi/Benetton and Ferrari.Otherwise they can be brought back down to earth if provokingly upset the bosses as with Prost/Ferrari; Alonso/McLaren, Ferrari, Honda.
Ross Brawn is still a respected figure but his success in F1 overlaps with Schumi's as well as a number of controversies be it directly or indirectly but he has admitted to being uncomfortable at having to defend Schumi.
Has Ron Dennis ever said he felt uncomfortable going on BBC's Sportsnight having to defend Senna winning a WDC who deliberately took out a rival at the start of the 1990 Japanese GP?
Ron had demonstrated so much integrity in the 2007 season and associated spy-scandal but who would have known a rookie could be equal to a 2xWDC? In the fallout Jo Ramirez said he could not respect Alonso as a human being yet Dennis is willing to let bygones be bygones and rehire Alonso again in an effort to make McLaren great again.
I think it shows that compromised integrity correlates with how desperate a team is to be successful and win in F1 but a section of fans and observers will see past the team's PR angle of attack.
What The Deuces said:
paulguitar said:
Verstappen has to date competed in more Grands Prix than Ayton Senna, Hakkinen, Brundle, Reuteman, Emerson Fittipaldi, Mario Andretti, Damon Hill, Alan Jones, Keke Rosberg, Jackie Stewart, and others did in their entire careers. If he's not 'finished growing up', you might have a long wait expecting him to do so.
What on earth has that got to do with it? He's 25 years old, the number of races he's done has little bearing on his emotional development and his self awareness as a human being. Damon was married with a wife and kids and in his 30's before he drove an f1 car.What a silly comparison
And you still haven't answered the question.
mw88 said:
C70R said:
Phil - you're literally quoting yourself in a desperate bid to troll Max's fans.
Do you think that might be a sign to stop?
That's all F1 threads are these days. Tedious attempts at winding up the opposing fan club.Do you think that might be a sign to stop?
No wind up or trolling, just facts (as I see them...of course others may have a differing point of view).
C70R said:
PhilAsia said:
facts (as I see them...of course others may have a differing point of view).
That's not how facts work... 
Are you the sort of guy who starts conversations with "I speak my mind, and not everyone likes it, but that just who I am"?
I am the sort of guy that has said "two pound a bunch yer daffs" and "no, I call myself a piece of toast" much to the questioner's bemusement... Anything else?
Now that Ricciardo has swallowed his pride and re-signed? The smug ‘I told you so’ is immediate. Really what an awful person Horner is.
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