Official 2022 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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This handicapping perez thing was a bit out of order and typically every F1 monkey on sky and C4 said tough luck you are number 2. Even if his contract says otherwise. Its like they all work for red bull.
Best was the scottish idiot that likened him to some refugee in a dingy they rescued and how ungrateful he is.
Would they say the same thing if it was their beloved button or other UK driver getting stuffed?
Anyway it will be interesting as perez has contract negotiations to come. His manager (wow a manager? can he even read? who would have thought) will give them a hard time.
Best was the scottish idiot that likened him to some refugee in a dingy they rescued and how ungrateful he is.
Would they say the same thing if it was their beloved button or other UK driver getting stuffed?
Anyway it will be interesting as perez has contract negotiations to come. His manager (wow a manager? can he even read? who would have thought) will give them a hard time.
It's not an encouraging message for Red Bull young drivers either is it? To date they have created probably opportunities for young drivers than any other outfit with their two teams. A tough school for those drivers but one where they could aspire to a championship effort in the top team. However they appear to have burned nearly as many drivers as they have brought into the sport and have turned into V10 / V8 era Ferrari.
HustleRussell said:
It's not an encouraging message for Red Bull young drivers either is it? To date they have created probably opportunities for young drivers than any other outfit with their two teams. A tough school for those drivers but one where they could aspire to a championship effort in the top team. However they appear to have burned nearly as many drivers as they have brought into the sport and have turned into V10 / V8 era Ferrari.
True, but why would they care? The very best of the young drivers will eventually be Max's successor way down the line, the rest will fall by the wayside. In the meantime, there will be plenty of willing midfield drivers like Perez who will happily sit in the second seat and pick up a few wins and podiums that they would otherwise not have the opportunity to get.Daston said:
Just seen that the drone footage was a trial. Is there anywhere we can say "please god no" to this?
It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Glad you mentioned this!It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
It looked like they were using a £100 drone from a novelty shop. Even a £2k prosumer drone has outstanding imaging and gimbal capability.
I believe they are looking to do away with helicopter based cameras, moving to drones at some point in the future which would make sense but there clearly needs some work doing.
Drone testing would have been something that could only really properly be tested in a trial by fire. They aren't going to spin up their whole production operation early so they can whiz a drone around for 5mins. Transmitting the data for the stream live and with near zero latency and reliability is going to result in a low bitrate. The piloting was crap but I imagine they already spent the money so might as well keep using it to be seen playing with "new" tech.
I've not seen anything official but people have been talking that the drone used was some DJI unit, not a particularly big sensor/lens unit in those considering what the helicopter hauls around.
This huge unit is why heli shots are almost indistinguishable in quality from regular camera shots.
I've not seen anything official but people have been talking that the drone used was some DJI unit, not a particularly big sensor/lens unit in those considering what the helicopter hauls around.
This huge unit is why heli shots are almost indistinguishable in quality from regular camera shots.
NRS said:
I think far more has been made of having a 1-2 team, as so much has been made of Hamilton and Bottas in the past. We've now seen a "it makes sense for team orders" being applied by people who complained about Hamilton/Bottas team orders before, and others pointing out there's a clear Multi21 team out there.
The Lewis/Valtteri team orders happened about three times in five seasons. I must admit I wasn't taken with the drone footage. It was somewhat disorienting. I put it down to the four bottles of red diesel my BiL was trying to pass off as wine, but I guess it really was just crap.
Any word on Lando today? Nasty bout of tonsillitis seems to be the prognosis. If so, that's a hell of a shift he's put in, and he managed to beat his teammate again. Danny Ric will surely be looking over his shoulder now.
Nova Gyna said:
I must admit I wasn't taken with the drone footage. It was somewhat disorienting. I put it down to the four bottles of red diesel my BiL was trying to pass off as wine, but I guess it really was just crap.
Any word on Lando today? Nasty bout of tonsillitis seems to be the prognosis. If so, that's a hell of a shift he's put in, and he managed to beat his teammate again. Danny Ric will surely be looking over his shoulder now.
As for DR, God knows what his deal is. Perhaps he's just damaged ex RB goods? I'm not insane, I remember him keeping Max very honest when they were team mates, he was a superb driver when he went on the attack. Wtf happened!?
PhilAsia said:
TedStriker said:
HondaExige would consider that excellent trolling... Why the "hatred" (as HondaExige would also post} ?
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
I must admit I wasn't taken with the drone footage. It was somewhat disorienting. I put it down to the four bottles of red diesel my BiL was trying to pass off as wine, but I guess it really was just crap.
Any word on Lando today? Nasty bout of tonsillitis seems to be the prognosis. If so, that's a hell of a shift he's put in, and he managed to beat his teammate again. Danny Ric will surely be looking over his shoulder now.
As for DR, God knows what his deal is. Perhaps he's just damaged ex RB goods? I'm not insane, I remember him keeping Max very honest when they were team mates, he was a superb driver when he went on the attack. Wtf happened!?
Sector 1 and 2 was competitive then sector 3 was slowest of every single car, slower even than Albon in his very damaged Williams.
honda_exige said:
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
I must admit I wasn't taken with the drone footage. It was somewhat disorienting. I put it down to the four bottles of red diesel my BiL was trying to pass off as wine, but I guess it really was just crap.
Any word on Lando today? Nasty bout of tonsillitis seems to be the prognosis. If so, that's a hell of a shift he's put in, and he managed to beat his teammate again. Danny Ric will surely be looking over his shoulder now.
As for DR, God knows what his deal is. Perhaps he's just damaged ex RB goods? I'm not insane, I remember him keeping Max very honest when they were team mates, he was a superb driver when he went on the attack. Wtf happened!?
Sector 1 and 2 was competitive then sector 3 was slowest of every single car, slower even than Albon in his very damaged Williams.
ETA for what it's worth, despite his struggles I don't expect him to lose a seat in F1 just yet. He still puts in the odd good showing and he's incredibly popular and sponsor friendly.
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 23 May 14:40
TheDeuce said:
Nova Gyna said:
I must admit I wasn't taken with the drone footage. It was somewhat disorienting. I put it down to the four bottles of red diesel my BiL was trying to pass off as wine, but I guess it really was just crap.
Any word on Lando today? Nasty bout of tonsillitis seems to be the prognosis. If so, that's a hell of a shift he's put in, and he managed to beat his teammate again. Danny Ric will surely be looking over his shoulder now.
As for DR, God knows what his deal is. Perhaps he's just damaged ex RB goods? I'm not insane, I remember him keeping Max very honest when they were team mates, he was a superb driver when he went on the attack. Wtf happened!?
Maybe he trousered so much money with his move to Renault, then another huge contract with McLaren, that it's just killed his enthusiasm for the sport. Being thumped by his younger, less experienced teammate certainly won't help his confidence.
Or, I suppose he's simply lost his speed. I don't necessarily think that's the case, but it does happen to them all eventually. Unless he has a dramatic turnaround in form and sharpish, I can’t see him getting another big contract with a top team.
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
I can understand Red Bull doing what they did. As a spectator, it's disappointing, but we all know that Perez is very unlikely to ever be in a title hunt he's just not at that level consistently.
It was a bit early in the season though. It's just not very pleasant to see so early on, it's effectively them telling Perez that they don't believe he can be a world champion so no point trying. Which might be accurate but generally racing drivers like to believe that they can win! I question the damage to their second drivers motivation.I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
If there was no close fight then that is a different matter.
Sandpit Steve said:
NRS said:
I think far more has been made of having a 1-2 team, as so much has been made of Hamilton and Bottas in the past. We've now seen a "it makes sense for team orders" being applied by people who complained about Hamilton/Bottas team orders before, and others pointing out there's a clear Multi21 team out there.
The Lewis/Valtteri team orders happened about three times in five seasons. StevieBee said:
Daston said:
Just seen that the drone footage was a trial. Is there anywhere we can say "please god no" to this?
It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Glad you mentioned this!It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
It looked like they were using a 100 drone from a novelty shop. Even a 2k prosumer drone has outstanding imaging and gimbal capability.
I believe they are looking to do away with helicopter based cameras, moving to drones at some point in the future which would make sense but there clearly needs some work doing.
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
I can understand Red Bull doing what they did. As a spectator, it's disappointing, but we all know that Perez is very unlikely to ever be in a title hunt he's just not at that level consistently.
It was a bit early in the season though. It's just not very pleasant to see so early on, it's effectively them telling Perez that they don't believe he can be a world champion so no point trying. Which might be accurate but generally racing drivers like to believe that they can win! I question the damage to their second drivers motivation.I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
If there was no close fight then that is a different matter.
If he had taken Max's place the points would be very close now. He should be able to race for the win until the maths dictate that it's time to back one driver over the other.
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
I can understand Red Bull doing what they did. As a spectator, it's disappointing, but we all know that Perez is very unlikely to ever be in a title hunt he's just not at that level consistently.
It was a bit early in the season though. It's just not very pleasant to see so early on, it's effectively them telling Perez that they don't believe he can be a world champion so no point trying. Which might be accurate but generally racing drivers like to believe that they can win! I question the damage to their second drivers motivation.I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
If there was no close fight then that is a different matter.
The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
Edited by DanielSan on Monday 23 May 15:10
DanielSan said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
I can understand Red Bull doing what they did. As a spectator, it's disappointing, but we all know that Perez is very unlikely to ever be in a title hunt he's just not at that level consistently.
It was a bit early in the season though. It's just not very pleasant to see so early on, it's effectively them telling Perez that they don't believe he can be a world champion so no point trying. Which might be accurate but generally racing drivers like to believe that they can win! I question the damage to their second drivers motivation.I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
If there was no close fight then that is a different matter.
The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
Edited by DanielSan on Monday 23 May 15:10
TheDeuce said:
DanielSan said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
I can understand Red Bull doing what they did. As a spectator, it's disappointing, but we all know that Perez is very unlikely to ever be in a title hunt he's just not at that level consistently.
It was a bit early in the season though. It's just not very pleasant to see so early on, it's effectively them telling Perez that they don't believe he can be a world champion so no point trying. Which might be accurate but generally racing drivers like to believe that they can win! I question the damage to their second drivers motivation.I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
If there was no close fight then that is a different matter.
The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
Edited by DanielSan on Monday 23 May 15:10
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