Official 2022 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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StRemy said:
jsf said:
StRemy said:
I can imagine everyone in Mercedes has been working like crazy to improve the car (and improved it has) and then after an early slight setback LH automatically suggest to finish his race? That shows very little respect for his team’s work.
It was a sensible question to ask when they have limited engines. If they came back and said they projected he didn't stand a chance of points, you'd save the engine to allow you more performance at another event. It's just another case of the guy thinking long term.Do you have to work hard at this, or does it just come naturally?
Is it because you have firmly nailed your colours to the mast of such an undeserving world champion* that you have to look for squirrels everywhere?
DanielSan said:
The Spanish GP was the 4th race last year and Bottas was politely asked to not race Hamilton when he was in an alternative strategy and trying to chase Verstappen on the 'safe' strategy. Even Mercedes didn't give the fair hand last year so it's not exclusive to Red Bull.
The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
The two Mercs last year were on completely different strategies, in 2nd and 3rd, and only Lewis had the chance to go for the win. The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
The two RBs yesterday were both racing to the end, for the win, with no other cars close by. It always sucks when teams do that, at least let them race each other.
Sandpit Steve said:
DanielSan said:
The Spanish GP was the 4th race last year and Bottas was politely asked to not race Hamilton when he was in an alternative strategy and trying to chase Verstappen on the 'safe' strategy. Even Mercedes didn't give the fair hand last year so it's not exclusive to Red Bull.
The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
The two Mercs last year were on completely different strategies, in 2nd and 3rd, and only Lewis had the chance to go for the win. The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
The two RBs yesterday were both racing to the end, for the win, with no other cars close by. It always sucks when teams do that, at least them them race each other.
TheDeuce said:
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I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
Do you believe Mercedes will maintain their promise if Hamilton begins to fly in the second part of the season? I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
Assume Lewis is in contention for the WDC but trails Russell. Lewis, I believe, will have the team's complete support and will be the clear number one.
Nova Gyna said:
Do you believe Mercedes will maintain their promise if Hamilton begins to fly in the second part of the season?
Assume Lewis is in contention for the WDC but trails Russell. Lewis, I believe, will have the team's complete support and will be the clear number one.
Ferrari said that was the case for Seb, but Leclerc overturned it with his performances and finally showed Seb the door.Assume Lewis is in contention for the WDC but trails Russell. Lewis, I believe, will have the team's complete support and will be the clear number one.
HustleRussell said:
Ferrari said that was the case for Seb, but Leclerc overturned it with his performances and finally showed Seb the door.
Can Mercedes afford the inevitable PR fallout if they did the same though? There's no way it wouldn't be a huge social media based drama if Hamilton was asked to move over for Russell even with 2 or 3 races of the season left. Nova Gyna said:
Do you believe Mercedes will maintain their promise if Hamilton begins to fly in the second part of the season?
Assume Lewis is in contention for the WDC but trails Russell. Lewis, I believe, will have the team's complete support and will be the clear number one.
If Russell is ahead and in contention further into the season, and if LH goes with it, he'll make a hell of a backup to Russell.Assume Lewis is in contention for the WDC but trails Russell. Lewis, I believe, will have the team's complete support and will be the clear number one.
DanielSan said:
TheDeuce said:
DanielSan said:
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
I can understand Red Bull doing what they did. As a spectator, it's disappointing, but we all know that Perez is very unlikely to ever be in a title hunt he's just not at that level consistently.
It was a bit early in the season though. It's just not very pleasant to see so early on, it's effectively them telling Perez that they don't believe he can be a world champion so no point trying. Which might be accurate but generally racing drivers like to believe that they can win! I question the damage to their second drivers motivation.I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
If there was no close fight then that is a different matter.
The fight for the title is going to be close this year and with Leclerc retiring yesterday was the opportunity Red Bull needed to close the gap after their mechanical DNF's.
It's not great for viewers but there's no reason not to do it when Perez just isn't going to be in the fight at the end of the year.
And after his start to the season this year Sainz is already in the position where he's going to have to accept doing the same thing for Leclerc. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in another close fight with him this year but his first few races have just been sub par at best
Edited by DanielSan on Monday 23 May 15:10
Bottas was 45 points behind but Perez is only 25 points behind now, after giving the place to Max. If he'd finished first he would be just 13 points behind Max - a single DNF in other words, on the basis his car is always capable of ending in the points.
You have to admit it was a little harsh on the guy.
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
TedStriker said:
HondaExige would consider that excellent trolling... Why the "hatred" (as HondaExige would also post} ?
TheDeuce said:
Hold on..
Bottas was 45 points behind but Perez is only 25 points behind now, after giving the place to Max. If he'd finished first he would be just 13 points behind Max - a single DNF in other words, on the basis his car is always capable of ending in the points.
You have to admit it was a little harsh on the guy.
I haven't said it isn't, they definitely owe him a win after yesterday but like I said before, while Leclerc was sat in the garage with a broken car yesterday the only sensible move on a championship basis was to maximise Verstappen's points. They've had 2 DNF's already so any chance to get a maximum score and close the gap has to be taken. Bottas was 45 points behind but Perez is only 25 points behind now, after giving the place to Max. If he'd finished first he would be just 13 points behind Max - a single DNF in other words, on the basis his car is always capable of ending in the points.
You have to admit it was a little harsh on the guy.
Perez knew what he signed up for and given his supposed alternative was a year out last year and a Williams drive for this season he's still far better off.
Is it right? Well that depends on the fan you ask, I'm not really arsed which Red Bull wins when I'm hoping Sainz finally gets a decent result and have another weekend of disappointment.
Nova Gyna said:
TheDeuce said:
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I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
Do you believe Mercedes will maintain their promise if Hamilton begins to fly in the second part of the season? I prefer the Mercedes method of giving an entirely fair hand to both drivers at least until one has a commanding point advantage and is also threatened by another driver from another team. As a result of that fairness both Mercedes drivers in the last several seasons have publicly said they understand and agree when the time does come for one of them to move over for the good of the team.
It goes to show how very different the culture is at RB compared to Merc. Even Ferrari made a public announcement back in 2019 that they would no longer have a 'number 2' driver culture, having spent all season tying themselves in knots trying to work out which driver they favoured. They just ended up with two pissed off drivers that both ignored the pitwall until they gave up medling.
Assume Lewis is in contention for the WDC but trails Russell. Lewis, I believe, will have the team's complete support and will be the clear number one.
The impression I get is that Toto genuinely believes fairness and treating people well is vital for team performance. It wouldn't amaze me at all if he stood by that even if it did mean Lewis wasn't prioritised. Maybe we'll find out one day.
Byker28i said:
honda_exige said:
kambites said:
95 fiesta si said:
keep seeing gifted wins...pretty sure Bottas has had to Lewis Lewis through in the past for a win.......this has been going on for ages, nothing new.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember Mercedes ever invoking team orders to swap positions for the lead this early in a season? I still don't have a problem with with Redbull did, mind. It's a team game and Redbull have made it very clear that Verstappen is the number one driver. nothing whatsoever wrong with that IMO, it makes perfect sense when they're in a battle for the WDC. Last year at race 4, also the Spanish GP Mercedes instructed Bottas to let Lewis through for the win!
It's fine, they are doing all they can to make max WC again, but let's not claim he does it on merit, that he's the best driver. He made multiple errors today, was shown up by George in an inferior car, complained excessively, and was only on when they put him in the lead and clear to bring the car home.
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 22 May 17:01
Careful with that mirror!
Daston said:
Just seen that the drone footage was a trial. Is there anywhere we can say "please god no" to this?
It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Interesting experiment but no need to broadcast it, it was clearly terrible. Wide angle drone lens + fixed flight path well off the track is never going to work.It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Liberty are known to monitor socials closely, I'm sure they will be searching for F1+drone in the coming days.
ch37 said:
Daston said:
Just seen that the drone footage was a trial. Is there anywhere we can say "please god no" to this?
It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Interesting experiment but no need to broadcast it, it was clearly terrible. Wide angle drone lens + fixed flight path well off the track is never going to work.It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Liberty are known to monitor socials closely, I'm sure they will be searching for F1+drone in the coming days.
Either Danny Ric is just in F1 to rake the money in and using it as a pastime or he has just lost all motivation to become a winner
Another race where he gets beat by a 50% Lando.
Think that move from renault just made him think ill stay in F1 earn milllions and live off my few wins.
Fustrating as i like the guy in F1 seems to be a laugh but his talent has just dissapeared.
Another race where he gets beat by a 50% Lando.
Think that move from renault just made him think ill stay in F1 earn milllions and live off my few wins.
Fustrating as i like the guy in F1 seems to be a laugh but his talent has just dissapeared.
g4ry13 said:
ch37 said:
Daston said:
Just seen that the drone footage was a trial. Is there anywhere we can say "please god no" to this?
It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Interesting experiment but no need to broadcast it, it was clearly terrible. Wide angle drone lens + fixed flight path well off the track is never going to work.It wouldn't have been too bad had the camera actually stayed level but pretty hard to see whats going on at a 40 degree angle and 200ft away from the action with no zoom. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea?
Liberty are known to monitor socials closely, I'm sure they will be searching for F1+drone in the coming days.
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