Official 2022 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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And with the issues experienced in the PU late in the race, some would criticise him for not raising the question (with all his experience, he should be mindful of these risks). We still don’t know if continuing was a good or bad decision as we don’t know the result for the PU.
So, a reasonable question, posed in a grumpy way having had his race (and counter tyre strategy) ruined, followed by a very strong drive, but maybe at a cost to come later in the season depending on the state of the PU…. I’m not sure there is a lot more to say.
So, a reasonable question, posed in a grumpy way having had his race (and counter tyre strategy) ruined, followed by a very strong drive, but maybe at a cost to come later in the season depending on the state of the PU…. I’m not sure there is a lot more to say.
Hungrymc said:
And with the issues experienced in the PU late in the race, some would criticise him for not raising the question (with all his experience, he should be mindful of these risks). We still don’t know if continuing was a good or bad decision as we don’t know the result for the PU.
So, a reasonable question, posed in a grumpy way having had his race (and counter tyre strategy) ruined, followed by a very strong drive, but maybe at a cost to come later in the season depending on the state of the PU…. I’m not sure there is a lot more to say.
Well, as the issues were affecting both factory PUs, why wasn't George asking to retire the car?So, a reasonable question, posed in a grumpy way having had his race (and counter tyre strategy) ruined, followed by a very strong drive, but maybe at a cost to come later in the season depending on the state of the PU…. I’m not sure there is a lot more to say.
With 20/20 hindsight you could say it was possibly a decent option, but at the time he was raising the issue - there was no way to tell any of the cooling issues would crop up.
Any time someone has an issue on lap 1, should they retire the car to save the PU now?
ch37 said:
I'm just pleased it wasn't Hamilton effing and blinding about a stuck DRS every lap, this thread would be even more intolerable than it is now.
Max getting so angry over it was comical. He gets angry triggered very easily, doesn't he? Still got a fair bit of maturing to do! I much prefer some of the broadcast radio from GR - "Perez is on a one stop" "Blimey!"honda_exige said:
First time that Zak Brown has publicly criticised Ricciardo.
His time's up I think.
Zak Brown on Daniel Ricciardo: "We obviously would like to see Daniel much closer to Lando and have a good intra-team battle. Daniel's just not comfortable yet with the car... Again it was a disappointing weekend. Short of Monza and a few races its generally not met his or our expectations"
Yep he's done. That smile can only paper over so many cracks unfortunately. I wonder whether anyone else will want to pick him up? I seem to recall he is on a fairly large pay packet given the level of his performance (which is what got him into renault, where he also never settled). His time's up I think.
Zak Brown on Daniel Ricciardo: "We obviously would like to see Daniel much closer to Lando and have a good intra-team battle. Daniel's just not comfortable yet with the car... Again it was a disappointing weekend. Short of Monza and a few races its generally not met his or our expectations"
“I mean, everyone came into the weekend curious for how they are going to perform,” continued Ricciardo. “It’s one of those races where it was so slow – it almost sounds bad to say but you hope that something was wrong, you hope that we find something that’s like ‘oh that’s why’, as it’s more concerning if we don’t".
I feel bad for him but I suspect the team may ultimately diagnose the fault as P.I.C. (Problem in chair).
Edited by snotrag on Tuesday 24th May 08:28
Edited by snotrag on Tuesday 24th May 08:29
paulguitar said:
TypeRTim said:
Well, as the issues were affecting both factory PUs, why wasn't George asking to retire the car?
Because he wasn't second to last and miles behind all of the other cars?paulguitar said:
TypeRTim said:
Well, as the issues were affecting both factory PUs, why wasn't George asking to retire the car?
Because he wasn't second to last and miles behind all of the other cars?
t car for 6 races/safety cars flipping the order/having a good car and being driven into resulting in a puncture/historic number of overtakes in Spain/engine penalties...Not making excuses, but until he got the "head down mate and crack on" some or all of the above may have had some bearing on how upbeat he should be feeling about his luck and possibility of turning it around.
Once he got on it he closed a 56 second gap by 0.8sec per lap to get into 4th and 10 secs behind Russell and fastest lap for a while. That takes strength of character even if he was a bit doomsday for a lap or two...
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 24th May 09:06
ch37 said:
I'm just pleased it wasn't Hamilton effing and blinding about a stuck DRS every lap, this thread would be even more intolerable than it is now.
And that’s the thing… Lewis has a little moan, sounds a bit despondent.. and the usual suspects jump on him. Max can bh, eff and jeff, slag his team off who are working equally as hard for the cause and not a peep from those same usual suspects.I will say though… on this particular occasion, I was surprised when he said it and knew it would be jumped on as anything remotely resembling a moan is from him. The man hasn’t had much go his was in 4 out of 6 races. Remember the past seasons when Max’s car wasn’t the car it is now… he was not a happy bunny.
Although different in their approach on the race track they both wear their hearts on their sleeves.
jsf said:
paulguitar said:
TypeRTim said:
Well, as the issues were affecting both factory PUs, why wasn't George asking to retire the car?
Because he wasn't second to last and miles behind all of the other cars?I just think it's worth reiterating - in this era of cost caps, testing restrictions and aero that doesn't always fully correlate with the sims - any mileage is valuable.
Why do you think K-mag stayed out. Surely it wasn't worth risking the PU, circulating around plumb last? Maybe he asked the question and it didn't get broadcast, we don't know. But I would probably say the message would be "we need the data".
My entire problem with LH's comment was that as someone who has been in F1 for nearly 15 years, having been through the 2009 season with Mclaren where they had to turn around a dog of a car, he should have known that without in season testing, mileage in the real world is key for the team in understanding how the upgrades they brought to the race were working and if that correlated with what they were seeing on the computers. The aero is much more important to understand, as that will allow them to get back in to some form of championship contention, they only have a certain number of upgrades they can bring to the car through the season, so making sure they work under racing conditions (not just the FP sessions) is vital. They learned that the hard way in Miami where they showed great pace in Free Practice but that sort of disappeared come quali and the race and they didn't know why.
TypeRTim said:
jsf said:
paulguitar said:
TypeRTim said:
Well, as the issues were affecting both factory PUs, why wasn't George asking to retire the car?
Because he wasn't second to last and miles behind all of the other cars?I just think it's worth reiterating - in this era of cost caps, testing restrictions and aero that doesn't always fully correlate with the sims - any mileage is valuable.
Why do you think K-mag stayed out. Surely it wasn't worth risking the PU, circulating around plumb last? Maybe he asked the question and it didn't get broadcast, we don't know. But I would probably say the message would be "we need the data".
My entire problem with LH's comment was that as someone who has been in F1 for nearly 15 years, having been through the 2009 season with Mclaren where they had to turn around a dog of a car, he should have known that without in season testing, mileage in the real world is key for the team in understanding how the upgrades they brought to the race were working and if that correlated with what they were seeing on the computers. The aero is much more important to understand, as that will allow them to get back in to some form of championship contention, they only have a certain number of upgrades they can bring to the car through the season, so making sure they work under racing conditions (not just the FP sessions) is vital. They learned that the hard way in Miami where they showed great pace in Free Practice but that sort of disappeared come quali and the race and they didn't know why.
Can I just say, I'm really not bothered about what drivers say in cockpit, in either the heat of the battle or the heat of the moment, and I think some/many of the comments made by so many (literally) arm chair warriors are far wide of the mark and are not adding anything worthwhile to post race discussions.
Is it me?
Is it me?
heebeegeetee said:
Can I just say, I'm really not bothered about what drivers say in cockpit, in either the heat of the battle or the heat of the moment, and I think some/many of the comments made by so many (literally) arm chair warriors are far wide of the mark and are not adding anything worthwhile to post race discussions.
Is it me?
Nope, agreedIs it me?
Yazza54 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Can I just say, I'm really not bothered about what drivers say in cockpit, in either the heat of the battle or the heat of the moment, and I think some/many of the comments made by so many (literally) arm chair warriors are far wide of the mark and are not adding anything worthwhile to post race discussions.
Is it me?
Nope, agreedIs it me?
Mark-C said:
Yazza54 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Can I just say, I'm really not bothered about what drivers say in cockpit, in either the heat of the battle or the heat of the moment, and I think some/many of the comments made by so many (literally) arm chair warriors are far wide of the mark and are not adding anything worthwhile to post race discussions.
Is it me?
Nope, agreedIs it me?
Seb in 2018 said:
"I think it's not fair. I mean, I don't know what Lewis did. We've all been in that situation, we fight someone, we go sometimes wheel-to-wheel, it's close and you have a lot of adrenaline going.
"Do you think comparing to football, if you have a microphone on a football player's mouth, that everything he says is something nice and is a nice message when the guy tackles him and maybe sometimes he fouls him or not?
"I don't think it's justified to give us these kind of st questions and making up a story out of nothing, if we are just racing and we are full of adrenaline and sometime we say these things.
"I mean, if I hit you in your face, you're not going to say 'oh, Sebastian, that wasn't nice'. It's a human reaction."
"Do you think comparing to football, if you have a microphone on a football player's mouth, that everything he says is something nice and is a nice message when the guy tackles him and maybe sometimes he fouls him or not?
"I don't think it's justified to give us these kind of s
t questions and making up a story out of nothing, if we are just racing and we are full of adrenaline and sometime we say these things."I mean, if I hit you in your face, you're not going to say 'oh, Sebastian, that wasn't nice'. It's a human reaction."
In before the storm, Hamilton didn't touch Perez's rear wing in parc ferme (if you see a photo it's just the frame that makes it look like it) the video is just him squeezing past avoiding contact.
https://twitter.com/LuisArochi24/status/1529029467...
https://twitter.com/LuisArochi24/status/1529029467...
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