Official 2022 Spanish Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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TheDeuce said:
Beggars belief. We all know such mixed up idiots continue to exist in their qiuet little circles.. but to be openly racist and abusive in this day and age makes me question their mental state. They must know the world at large does not agree nor approve. Or even turn a blind eye these days.
Try a visit to an Eastern European football match. It's not a few people in a packed grandstand. It was a whole side of a ground in Wroçlaw. DanielSan said:
TheDeuce said:
Beggars belief. We all know such mixed up idiots continue to exist in their qiuet little circles.. but to be openly racist and abusive in this day and age makes me question their mental state. They must know the world at large does not agree nor approve. Or even turn a blind eye these days.
Try a visit to an Eastern European football match. It's not a few people in a packed grandstand. It was a whole side of a ground in Wro law. I bet very, very few of them would have the balls to be the lone voice.
The oh my God they’ve copied Red Bull brigade…
Clearly didn’t listen to a thing that they said at the very first test before the new red bull was even seen that the car that they had in the simulator and being developed at the factory was completely different from what they were currently racing.
But it’s much easier to shout that they copied it..
Clearly didn’t listen to a thing that they said at the very first test before the new red bull was even seen that the car that they had in the simulator and being developed at the factory was completely different from what they were currently racing.
But it’s much easier to shout that they copied it..
Hazmat1 said:
Indeed, but with lead times the way they are and restrictions on cfd and wind tunnel, you don’t just whip out a copy in five races.
Dan Fallows would certainly have had knowledge of the path RB were taking as well which won’t be a coincidence
Dan Fallows only started work in April so.. Nah.Dan Fallows would certainly have had knowledge of the path RB were taking as well which won’t be a coincidence
They've blatantly copied it wholesale, which is fine as long as photogrammetry wasn't used and there will be some millimetre differences here and there but every single curve you can see looks macroscopically the same. They definitely have managed to whip out a copy that fast.
Don't forget that Ferrari copied (and admitted to copying) Aston's tea tray in around 14 days from reveal to 1st test.
sparta6 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Last time I was in Barcelona (the city), I had my camera bag nicked from a busy restaurant. The CCTV ‘wasn’t working’, and no interest from the police in anything other than giving me a form I could send to my insurance company - which meant no camera for months while the paperwork got sorted out.
Apart from the street harrasment, scam artists, pickpockets and thieves, Barcelona is indeed a wonderful city.
With the odd exception Spanish Police are indeed lazy bApart from the street harrasment, scam artists, pickpockets and thieves, Barcelona is indeed a wonderful city.
ds.Barcelona is marginally better than Frankfurt and Paris.
Most EU cities are scuzzy, and don't get me started on Marseille
I use the same restaurant as the F1 drivers use, it's superb.
Hazmat1 said:
Indeed, but with lead times the way they are and restrictions on cfd and wind tunnel, you don’t just whip out a copy in five races.
Dan Fallows would certainly have had knowledge of the path RB were taking as well which won’t be a coincidence
Well Aston Martin appear to have done it!Dan Fallows would certainly have had knowledge of the path RB were taking as well which won’t be a coincidence
Can be done within the space of 3 races, I've done it years ago, low point of my F1 career having to ask my design team to copy the shape of a competitors car from photo's
The team's CEO, race team manager and sporting director asked me to do it as our wind tunnel guys had lost their way back when the cars evolved from small barge boards to large barge boards
Made it very clear we weren't the solution to the teams performance problem and they shouldn't expect to plonk the shape of another teams car in the middle of our car and somehow it would magically fix everything
I'd imagine Daddy Stroll is banging his fist on the table demanding it, moral at Silverstone must be rock bottom, feel really sorry for everyone involved
TheDeuce said:
Beggars belief. We all know such mixed up idiots continue to exist in their qiuet little circles.. but to be openly racist and abusive in this day and age makes me question their mental state. They must know the world at large does not agree nor approve. Or even turn a blind eye these days.
Unfortunately most of the world is racist. Go out of your bubble and you will realise UK is incredibly well integrated by comparison. Nova Gyna said:
PhilAsia said:
1st time I heard any racist taunting was in Barcelona. My gf at the time was black (she still is...) and some fat slob with a jack hammer was playing up the macho to his mates, shouting s
t across the street. Never heard anything like it in the decade we were together, and we went from opera (she is alto soprano) to reggae sound system dances (I dj reggae), with never a comment from anyone.
Never had much joy eating vegetarian in Spain either. Despite requests, we always found some carne had found its way onto the plate
Edited by PhilAsia on Thursday 19th May 13:23
Or possibly Brazil for a few years after he beat Massa to the WDC.
You'd like to think the world has moved on a bit and it wouldn't happen nowadays, at least not such a public display of s
thousery. There are still plenty of dolts frothing at the ahole from behind a keyboard, though :sad face:However, it was not as bad as 1975 when she was refused access to 6 catholic secondary schools in NW London. She missed a year as a result, and it was only the petitioning of the catholic priest, that kindly looked after her during that year, that got her access into the second year as the school's first black student.
Her first day got to the point where she spat in the dinner of the boy that was taunting her at lunch time and squared up to him. Everyone was ok after that.
Her younger brother got it worse the next year.
Thankfully, 95ish% of the world is normal.
Piginapoke said:
honda_exige said:
Shameless copying. It’s a hard team to like. However given there is a natural convergence over the first couple of years of new reg's towards the leading cars design, have AM not just used Dan Fallows experience to try and steal a march on their midfield competition?
Aids0G said:
Piginapoke said:
honda_exige said:
Shameless copying. It’s a hard team to like. However given there is a natural convergence over the first couple of years of new reg's towards the leading cars design, have AM not just used Dan Fallows experience to try and steal a march on their midfield competition?
What he will bring to Aston is probably the ability to understand it and how to develop it, which they were unable to do with the Pink Mercedes.
honda_exige said:
Aids0G said:
Piginapoke said:
honda_exige said:
Shameless copying. It’s a hard team to like. However given there is a natural convergence over the first couple of years of new reg's towards the leading cars design, have AM not just used Dan Fallows experience to try and steal a march on their midfield competition?
What he will bring to Aston is probably the ability to understand it and how to develop it, which they were unable to do with the Pink Mercedes.
Will be very interesting to see if they can develop the car, performance wise they are so far off even with the AM-RB upgrade expect its going to be a long season for them.
Probably go top of the times in FP1 today, now that would cause a stir.
Yeah I'm not really sure what they're meant to have done wrong. If their approach from day-1 was to produce the most basic side-pod package they could get away with for the first few races and then copy whichever car looked best to them in pre-season testing, good luck to them. Sounds like a very sensible approach, especially in the cost-cap era. Why waste your limited development money designing your own side-pods when you can get someone else to spend theirs and copy it?
One has to imagine that there are limitations to the approach though; their internal architecture must be compromised to an extent by being so generic and flexible. It's going to be fascinating to see where it puts them in terms of competitiveness. It may also finally give us a decent idea of how the Mercedes and Honda power trains compare?
One has to imagine that there are limitations to the approach though; their internal architecture must be compromised to an extent by being so generic and flexible. It's going to be fascinating to see where it puts them in terms of competitiveness. It may also finally give us a decent idea of how the Mercedes and Honda power trains compare?
Edited by kambites on Friday 20th May 11:19
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