The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*
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MissChief said:
Portimao is a great track for driving, I'm not so sure it's great for F1 cars.
Mugello showed that, in it's current form, it's wholly unsuitable for modern F1 cars. It's basically as good as flat out from turns 5 to 10 then after 12 to 15 and then even 15 isn't much of a lift either. It's been 'overpowered' by modern F1 and it's clear that while it's great as a Bike circuit, it's not a great F1 circuit. Check out Lewis's Pole lap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzkFH5AAk5Y
I really enjoyed 2x Portimao races, both excellent IMO, Mugello may have been rose tinted glasses with the Red Flag (in a longgg time), but watching the drivers out perform the simulations with flat out sections was amazing. It was nice to see drivers really push.Mugello showed that, in it's current form, it's wholly unsuitable for modern F1 cars. It's basically as good as flat out from turns 5 to 10 then after 12 to 15 and then even 15 isn't much of a lift either. It's been 'overpowered' by modern F1 and it's clear that while it's great as a Bike circuit, it's not a great F1 circuit. Check out Lewis's Pole lap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzkFH5AAk5Y
Edited by MissChief on Tuesday 22 November 23:08
vaud said:
Deesee said:
I really enjoyed 2x Portimao races, both excellent IMO,
Agreed - I would be tempted to go to Portimao as a race, not least because I could bolt on a very nice holiday on the Algarve.
please FOM.
Deesee said:
Double agreed, Mugello is a 3 hour drive up the Adriatic Autostrada then head inland for an hour! I’m not biased at all, perhaps they could do it sometime around half term, October or May when I’m there, clearly August is out of the question … please FOM.
There is a very nice hotel in Lagos - Iberostar Selection Lagos Algarve... which is also where a lot of the MotoGP teams stay,.. please FOM.vaud said:
Deesee said:
Double agreed, Mugello is a 3 hour drive up the Adriatic Autostrada then head inland for an hour! I’m not biased at all, perhaps they could do it sometime around half term, October or May when I’m there, clearly August is out of the question … please FOM.
There is a very nice hotel in Lagos - Iberostar Selection Lagos Algarve... which is also where a lot of the MotoGP teams stay,.. please FOM.
vaud said:
To think there are still people who thought him leaving Red Bull in 2018 was a good idea..2018, offered the same package as Max, did the deal and shook on it with Dietrich, then signed for Renault after the tyre test.
Let’s see if he can keep up with Lawson in the sim.
Deesee said:
vaud said:
To think there are still people who thought him leaving Red Bull in 2018 was a good idea..2018, offered the same package as Max, did the deal and shook on it with Dietrich, then signed for Renault after the tyre test.
Let’s see if he can keep up with Lawson in the sim.
Piginapoke said:
Just realised there is only one pre season, 3 day test in Bahrain in February. Teams will need to get their skates on.
I wonder when each team stopped developing their 2022 car and moved all efforts to 2023. Merc were clearly still bringing bits and trying to understand the monster.vaud said:
I wonder when each team stopped developing their 2022 car and moved all efforts to 2023. Merc were clearly still bringing bits and trying to understand the monster.
I think they had the Catch-22 situation that until they were able to understand the W13's problems, and (crucially) verify that proposed solutions to fix these were working simply abandoning it and starting over for 2023 would run a very real risk of repeating the same situation - a car that was quick on paper but not on track.That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
KaraK said:
I think they had the Catch-22 situation that until they were able to understand the W13's problems, and (crucially) verify that proposed solutions to fix these were working simply abandoning it and starting over for 2023 would run a very real risk of repeating the same situation - a car that was quick on paper but not on track.
That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
Are there any reg changes / safety changes at all for 2023? That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
vaud said:
KaraK said:
I think they had the Catch-22 situation that until they were able to understand the W13's problems, and (crucially) verify that proposed solutions to fix these were working simply abandoning it and starting over for 2023 would run a very real risk of repeating the same situation - a car that was quick on paper but not on track.
That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
Are there any reg changes / safety changes at all for 2023? That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
KaraK said:
vaud said:
KaraK said:
I think they had the Catch-22 situation that until they were able to understand the W13's problems, and (crucially) verify that proposed solutions to fix these were working simply abandoning it and starting over for 2023 would run a very real risk of repeating the same situation - a car that was quick on paper but not on track.
That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
Are there any reg changes / safety changes at all for 2023? That said with the (relative) stability in the regs for next year I'm sure most of the developments they carried out in the latter races will have been done with an eye on bringing those into the '23 designs. It's the only approach that would make any sense.
vaud said:
Agreed - I would be tempted to go to Portimao as a race, not least because I could bolt on a very nice holiday on the Algarve.
You wouldn't if you had actually been to the circuit! It won't ever happen again, because they could not afford the fee to hold it. The circuit's financial history makes Silverstone's finances look like Amazon's!It was only on the calendar because F1 sorted out the finances for the 2 Covid years and there were no spectators.
It's a terrible circuit for spectators. I have been and the recent comments from TripAdvisor relating to this year's MotoGP are an accurate reflection of the place. Spectator friendly it isn't. No entertainment. You need cleaning equipment or a change of clothes for the dirty grandstand. You cannot bring in any food, not even an apple! And if you have a decent camera, they will call it a professional one, and that isn't allowed in either! It's all in the reviews from people across Europe from Newcastle to Denmark.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g1...
vaud said:
Are there any reg changes / safety changes at all for 2023?
Yes there are. https://racingnews365.com/f1-cars-will-get-larger-...
And they have just banned the Aston style rear wing and the Merc style front wing.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-and-ast...
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