The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*

[DanielSan]

super7 said:

Surely Honda will be joining up with Andretti…. They’re partners in Indy?

They announced a Renault supply deal a few months ago if their entry is accepted.

Actually I'm sure GM themselves said they were looking to partner with Renaut and have input on their engine

Edited by DanielSan on Thursday 9th February 19:59

[vulture1]

Watch "the race" YouTube piece about honda. Looks like they have alot ofnwork and facilities required to get back to f1 status.

[gt_12345]

vulture1 said:

Watch "the race" YouTube piece about honda. Looks like they have alot ofnwork and facilities required to get back to f1 status.

How? They made an engine only 2 years ago?

[ajprice]

Jack Doohan confirmed as Alpine reserve driver https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alpine-...

[Dermot O'Logical]

I managed to stay awake for about an hour and a half of Alpine telling everybody how inclusive and diverse they are, with about ten minutes of the 2023 car.

I didn't feel that I learned anything other than they want to bring women drivers to the fore, and Vick Hope has nice legs.

[Stealthracer]

Dermot O'Logical said:

... Vick Hope has nice legs.

What cars?

[carl_w]

Renault to supply engines to Andretti https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/35678998/rena...

[MissChief]

carl_w said:

Renault to supply engines to Andretti https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/35678998/rena...

As the only single supplier it was pretty much an open secret. Andretti Cadillac, powered by Renault?

[carl_w]

MissChief said:

As the only single supplier it was pretty much an open secret. Andretti Cadillac, powered by Renault?

Does sound odd doesn't it? I wonder if they'll rebadge the engine as something else?

[stemll]

carl_w said:

MissChief said:

As the only single supplier it was pretty much an open secret. Andretti Cadillac, powered by Renault?

Does sound odd doesn't it? I wonder if they'll rebadge the engine as something else?

Errrr, maybe a Cadillac badge

[MissChief]

stemll said:

carl_w said:

MissChief said:

As the only single supplier it was pretty much an open secret. Andretti Cadillac, powered by Renault?

Does sound odd doesn't it? I wonder if they'll rebadge the engine as something else?

Errrr, maybe a Cadillac badge

Would be a very weird thing to do. Sure there was a BMW Sauber powered by Ferrari many years ago but that was a Team sponsor registering their name and then pulling out and it being too late to change it. I still don't like the way GM and Ford are trying to catch the F1 popularity train with little more than sponsorship instead of developing their own Engine.

[Leithen]

MissChief said:

Would be a very weird thing to do. Sure there was a BMW Sauber powered by Ferrari many years ago but that was a Team sponsor registering their name and then pulling out and it being too late to change it. I still don't like the way GM and Ford are trying to catch the F1 popularity train with little more than sponsorship instead of developing their own Engine.

With the change in engine regs and timescale, and the cartel/franchise/whyshouldweshareourcake, any manufacturer committing to be part of a new F1 entrant has to badge an existing engine to begin with. Even Porsche would be forced to if they succeeded in joining the circus.

Once in, and with some guarantee of stability, there's nothing stopping them developing a power unit. But no-one is going to commit tens/hundreds of millions in development without a guarantee of an entry.

[thegreenhell]

Ford have never developed their own engines, despite being the third most successful engine manufacturer according to the F1 record books.

[Mark-C]

thegreenhell said:

Ford have never developed their own engines, despite being the third most successful engine manufacturer according to the F1 record books.

And there is nothing wrong with that - it's part of the history of F1. As an example ...the Ilmor engine used by Sauber in the early 90s saw "Concept by Mercedes-Benz" on the cars to start with but that was changed to "Powered by ..." after a year and was fully badged as a Merc engine for the succesful McLaren years.

[gt_12345]

Pflanzgarten said:

They want to be putting a crew from DTS with them 24/7 because it’s going to be TV gold if they get access.

I reckon they supplied an additional crew for AM.

[gt_12345]

PhilAsia said:

vaud said:

patmahe said:

I must be the only person who liked Magny Cours when they used to race there, lots of high speed direction changes and a hairpin for overtaking, lots of good racing there over the years.

It was a great track in it's time, but may be too narrow for modern cars. Oh and it's in the middle of nowhere with few hotels or supporting logistics... competing with the likes of Las Vegas.

I'd far rather be in rural France than the glitzy Last Vaguearse tbh...

Same.

Miami was just embarrassing. So tacky. They just don't understand "class".

Vegas will be 100x worse.

[Pflanzgarten]

gt_12345 said:

Same.

Miami was just embarrassing. So tacky. They just don't understand "class".

Vegas will be 100x worse.

I think Vegas will be a breath of fresh air, race on Saturday night and all that. It is without a doubt not the type of place I'd like to visit but I'm all up F1 trying something new.

I remember the discontent when the COTA was announced with it's steep first corner and look at how good that turned out to be.

F1 is still, despite the implosion of young fans overpopulated by old dullards who complain about any change.

The discontent about about new tracks and Lewis Hamilton's trousers is exactly the same as those old duffers who complained about Jackie Stewart's campaign to rid the sport of the tracks that were killing dozens of his friends a year while wearing bell bottoms and jazzy shades.

[entropy]

carl_w said:

MissChief said:

As the only single supplier it was pretty much an open secret. Andretti Cadillac, powered by Renault?

Does sound odd doesn't it? I wonder if they'll rebadge the engine as something else?

Happens with some regularity in cycling. For instance Litespeed bikes are re-stickered as official Giant or Trek team bikes at some races/stages.

[Teddy Lop]

thegreenhell said:

Deesee said:

For Honda, Williams.. perhaps AT as a works team?

I take it Honda still have the IP and Red Bull build the PU under licence?

I think the current PU is still built and maintained by Honda until 2025, so there was no transfer of IP.

RBPT is solely designing the new PU for 2026, independently from anything Honda are doing.

I thought honda were to hand over the IP to what has become RBPT as part of the severance as they didn't want anything to do with F1 (so was surprised "they're" still around), and it was that development RBPT are hawking? If not what is it they (RBPT) have?

[Deesee]

Teddy Lop said:

thegreenhell said:

Deesee said:

For Honda, Williams.. perhaps AT as a works team?

I take it Honda still have the IP and Red Bull build the PU under licence?

I think the current PU is still built and maintained by Honda until 2025, so there was no transfer of IP.

RBPT is solely designing the new PU for 2026, independently from anything Honda are doing.

I thought honda were to hand over the IP to what has become RBPT as part of the severance as they didn't want anything to do with F1 (so was surprised "they're" still around), and it was that development RBPT are hawking? If not what is it they (RBPT) have?

RBPT have more than a few Merc engineers… I see RBPT folding next season.

The move out (Honda) and RBPT never made sense to me..

Even less now Ford are involved ( who have never actually built an F1 engine- always been subbed out-).

Makes Renault look great.