The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
vaud said:
jsf said:
None of us have seen these contracts, so even the speculation regarding Riciardo having a water tight contract is all guess work.
Even if it is "watertight" contracts at this level always have termination clauses, they just might be rather costly.If that happens then his career is over, so possibly there are negotiations going on for a reduced pay off in exchange for being allowed to drive for a different team in 2023.
Pflanzgarten said:
JonChalk said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
HustleRussell said:
cgt2 said:
Not expecting much from Williams next year either, Dorilton doesn't seem to have given them the budget to move up the grid thus far.
They have. Williams are just underperforming their budget as they have done for many years now. 
t for some reason 
Also much easier to read (as much like any other car / plane / helicopter / boat / whatever,) the info is always in the same place.
right... much easier to read... InformationSuperHighway said:
Pflanzgarten said:
JonChalk said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
HustleRussell said:
cgt2 said:
Not expecting much from Williams next year either, Dorilton doesn't seem to have given them the budget to move up the grid thus far.
They have. Williams are just underperforming their budget as they have done for many years now. t for some reason Also much easier to read (as much like any other car / plane / helicopter / boat / whatever,) the info is always in the same place.
right... much easier to read... 
Tyre Smoke said:
What's going on with Piastri? Where is he contracted at the moment, and next year?
The facts:He won F2 last year
He's currently contracted as Alpine F1 reserve driver (so hasn't competed anywhere this year, but was expecting to do some Free Practice sessions later in the year).
Alpine had an option to put him in an F1 race seat next year.
Alpine are claiming that they are exercising their right to have him race for them next year.
However Piastri is claiming that they don't have this contractual right, and that he won't race for Alpine in '23.
The inferences:
You wouldn't turn down a F1 race seat at Alpine unless you had a better option.
McLaren are the most obvious better team to be in want of a better driver, to replace the underperforming Ricciardo.
Therefore it's understood that McLaren have promised Piastri Ricciardo's seat for 2023.
(One could imagine other teams being interested, but McLaren would presumably have denied the story by now if it wasn't them, since it makes their position with Ricciardo more difficult to be revealed to have signed his replacement.)
Options have expiry dates, often at month-ends - 31st July is a common one.
Alonso announced his departure from Alpine on 1st August, and until this announcement Alpine expected him to continue.
Therefore Piastri wouldn't have been offered the Alpine seat for next year until 1st August, which could well have been the day after Alpine's option on him expired.
Neither Alpine nor Piastri were expecting him to be offered the Alpine drive for 2023 until Alonso left the team.
Alpine were looking to place him with Williams, however Piastri was more interested in the more competitive McLaren drive that Ricciardo might be vacating.
Therefore it seems possible that Piastri negotiated in good faith with McLaren that, if Alpine failed to take up their option on him by midnight 31st July, then he would drive for them in 2023. He may thus intend to take up and fulfil the McLaren contract.
However, in addition to their option on him as a race driver, Alpine also have an current contract with Piastri as their reserve driver. It's possible Alpine may be relying on something in this contract to assert the right to decide where he drives next year, rather than the possibly-expired option.
F1 driver contracts must be registered with their Contract Recognition Board when signed. In the case of conflicting contracts or a dispute over a contract, the CRB is responsible for determining which contract(s) are valid and which one takes precedence. This process is typically far quicker than a drawn out legal battle.
samoht said:
The facts:
He won F2 last year
He's currently contracted as Alpine F1 reserve driver (so hasn't competed anywhere this year, but was expecting to do some Free Practice sessions later in the year).
Alpine had an option to put him in an F1 race seat next year.
Alpine are claiming that they are exercising their right to have him race for them next year.
However Piastri is claiming that they don't have this contractual right, and that he won't race for Alpine in '23.
The inferences:
You wouldn't turn down a F1 race seat at Alpine unless you had a better option.
McLaren are the most obvious better team to be in want of a better driver, to replace the underperforming Ricciardo.
Therefore it's understood that McLaren have promised Piastri Ricciardo's seat for 2023.
(One could imagine other teams being interested, but McLaren would presumably have denied the story by now if it wasn't them, since it makes their position with Ricciardo more difficult to be revealed to have signed his replacement.)
Options have expiry dates, often at month-ends - 31st July is a common one.
Alonso announced his departure from Alpine on 1st August, and until this announcement Alpine expected him to continue.
Therefore Piastri wouldn't have been offered the Alpine seat for next year until 1st August, which could well have been the day after Alpine's option on him expired.
Neither Alpine nor Piastri were expecting him to be offered the Alpine drive for 2023 until Alonso left the team.
Alpine were looking to place him with Williams, however Piastri was more interested in the more competitive McLaren drive that Ricciardo might be vacating.
Therefore it seems possible that Piastri negotiated in good faith with McLaren that, if Alpine failed to take up their option on him by midnight 31st July, then he would drive for them in 2023. He may thus intend to take up and fulfil the McLaren contract.
However, in addition to their option on him as a race driver, Alpine also have an current contract with Piastri as their reserve driver. It's possible Alpine may be relying on something in this contract to assert the right to decide where he drives next year, rather than the possibly-expired option.
F1 driver contracts must be registered with their Contract Recognition Board when signed. In the case of conflicting contracts or a dispute over a contract, the CRB is responsible for determining which contract(s) are valid and which one takes precedence. This process is typically far quicker than a drawn out legal battle.
Can't be anyone but McLaren can it? It has to be better than alpine and the only other contenders are the current big 3, all of whom seem to have quite stable driver lineups, and even if one was signing piastri for the future and looking to farm him out to another team, they'd probably not be adverse to that team being alpine... Provided it isn't a button-williams "human trafficking" type contract.He won F2 last year
He's currently contracted as Alpine F1 reserve driver (so hasn't competed anywhere this year, but was expecting to do some Free Practice sessions later in the year).
Alpine had an option to put him in an F1 race seat next year.
Alpine are claiming that they are exercising their right to have him race for them next year.
However Piastri is claiming that they don't have this contractual right, and that he won't race for Alpine in '23.
The inferences:
You wouldn't turn down a F1 race seat at Alpine unless you had a better option.
McLaren are the most obvious better team to be in want of a better driver, to replace the underperforming Ricciardo.
Therefore it's understood that McLaren have promised Piastri Ricciardo's seat for 2023.
(One could imagine other teams being interested, but McLaren would presumably have denied the story by now if it wasn't them, since it makes their position with Ricciardo more difficult to be revealed to have signed his replacement.)
Options have expiry dates, often at month-ends - 31st July is a common one.
Alonso announced his departure from Alpine on 1st August, and until this announcement Alpine expected him to continue.
Therefore Piastri wouldn't have been offered the Alpine seat for next year until 1st August, which could well have been the day after Alpine's option on him expired.
Neither Alpine nor Piastri were expecting him to be offered the Alpine drive for 2023 until Alonso left the team.
Alpine were looking to place him with Williams, however Piastri was more interested in the more competitive McLaren drive that Ricciardo might be vacating.
Therefore it seems possible that Piastri negotiated in good faith with McLaren that, if Alpine failed to take up their option on him by midnight 31st July, then he would drive for them in 2023. He may thus intend to take up and fulfil the McLaren contract.
However, in addition to their option on him as a race driver, Alpine also have an current contract with Piastri as their reserve driver. It's possible Alpine may be relying on something in this contract to assert the right to decide where he drives next year, rather than the possibly-expired option.
F1 driver contracts must be registered with their Contract Recognition Board when signed. In the case of conflicting contracts or a dispute over a contract, the CRB is responsible for determining which contract(s) are valid and which one takes precedence. This process is typically far quicker than a drawn out legal battle.
Of course, they can't confirm as I guess they're affording Danny the grace to make arrangements. All quite messy.
Teddy Lop said:
Of course, they can't confirm as I guess they're affording Danny the grace to make arrangements. All quite messy.
Danny doesn’t have to do anything, he has a contract, he’s not seeking to breech.McLaren need to do the arrangements (with his manager)and make him an offer.
Teddy Lop said:
Can't be anyone but McLaren can it?
That's the thought process but I don't think we can say anything with certainty.However, were I in control of Red Bull's driver program I'd have my one functioning eye on Alpha Touri and the ageing Perez. In AT you've got the perennially dissatisfied Gasly on a one year deal for 2023 and Loopy Tsunoda who shows little signs of making the effort to improve on the small amount of potential he already has.
PH'rs all think it's grand for Red Bull to have Perez mopping up some points half a second behind Verstappen but in reality they'll see the data. As the car get's quicker and harder to extract the maximum from he's going to go backwards in relation to Max and if he qualifies fifth or sixth he's useless to the team, even as a sacrificial no2 driver. Look at Mercedes and Bottas
If Piastri is the real deal we think he is, I can see absolutely no reason Marko won't be moving heaven and earth to get him into the program. It's all very well winning one drivers championship in getting on for ten years but I can imagine the monthly meetings with Mateschitz getting terse at times.
For all their bluster, what has the Red Bull Young Driver Program ever delivered? Sebastian Vettel and a lot of people sacked.
vaud said:
Teddy Lop said:
Of course, they can't confirm as I guess they're affording Danny the grace to make arrangements. All quite messy.
Danny doesn’t have to do anything, he has a contract, he’s not seeking to breech.McLaren need to do the arrangements (with his manager)and make him an offer.
Pflanzgarten said:
Teddy Lop said:
Can't be anyone but McLaren can it?
That's the thought process but I don't think we can say anything with certainty.However, were I in control of Red Bull's driver program I'd have my one functioning eye on Alpha Touri and the ageing Perez. In AT you've got the perennially dissatisfied Gasly on a one year deal for 2023 and Loopy Tsunoda who shows little signs of making the effort to improve on the small amount of potential he already has.
PH'rs all think it's grand for Red Bull to have Perez mopping up some points half a second behind Verstappen but in reality they'll see the data. As the car get's quicker and harder to extract the maximum from he's going to go backwards in relation to Max and if he qualifies fifth or sixth he's useless to the team, even as a sacrificial no2 driver. Look at Mercedes and Bottas
If Piastri is the real deal we think he is, I can see absolutely no reason Marko won't be moving heaven and earth to get him into the program. It's all very well winning one drivers championship in getting on for ten years but I can imagine the monthly meetings with Mateschitz getting terse at times.
For all their bluster, what has the Red Bull Young Driver Program ever delivered? Sebastian Vettel and a lot of people sacked.
Pflanzgarten said:
That's the thought process but I don't think we can say anything with certainty.
However, were I in control of Red Bull's driver program I'd have my one functioning eye on Alpha Touri and the ageing Perez. In AT you've got the perennially dissatisfied Gasly on a one year deal for 2023 and Loopy Tsunoda who shows little signs of making the effort to improve on the small amount of potential he already has.
PH'rs all think it's grand for Red Bull to have Perez mopping up some points half a second behind Verstappen but in reality they'll see the data. As the car get's quicker and harder to extract the maximum from he's going to go backwards in relation to Max and if he qualifies fifth or sixth he's useless to the team, even as a sacrificial no2 driver. Look at Mercedes and Bottas
If Piastri is the real deal we think he is, I can see absolutely no reason Marko won't be moving heaven and earth to get him into the program. It's all very well winning one drivers championship in getting on for ten years but I can imagine the monthly meetings with Mateschitz getting terse at times.
For all their bluster, what has the Red Bull Young Driver Program ever delivered? Sebastian Vettel and a lot of people sacked.
Red Bull are a one driver team, whether it's Seb or Max. Currently Max is their number 1 and they won't want to rock the boat with a Vettel/Webber or Hamilton/Rosberg situation. Verstappen gets hot headed when he's not happy about something, if the Multi 21 situation happened with him and a teammate then it would make him pushing Ocon over look like nothing. Max hasn't calmed down, the short fuse is still there when things don't go his way (DRS not working, engine power issues). If Piastri went to Red Bull it would be war.However, were I in control of Red Bull's driver program I'd have my one functioning eye on Alpha Touri and the ageing Perez. In AT you've got the perennially dissatisfied Gasly on a one year deal for 2023 and Loopy Tsunoda who shows little signs of making the effort to improve on the small amount of potential he already has.
PH'rs all think it's grand for Red Bull to have Perez mopping up some points half a second behind Verstappen but in reality they'll see the data. As the car get's quicker and harder to extract the maximum from he's going to go backwards in relation to Max and if he qualifies fifth or sixth he's useless to the team, even as a sacrificial no2 driver. Look at Mercedes and Bottas
If Piastri is the real deal we think he is, I can see absolutely no reason Marko won't be moving heaven and earth to get him into the program. It's all very well winning one drivers championship in getting on for ten years but I can imagine the monthly meetings with Mateschitz getting terse at times.
For all their bluster, what has the Red Bull Young Driver Program ever delivered? Sebastian Vettel and a lot of people sacked.
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