Naomi Schiff

[heebeegeetee]

TobyTR said:

Why? What's skin colour got to do with it? Some might say that's... Racist.

I can take it... but one thing that I think is indisputable, is that appearance matters.

[cgt2]

heebeegeetee said:

Thanks for the link, I enjoyed that. I was surprised at earlier criticism of Nico, I think he's an excellent pundit, possibly the best of them, and I enjoy his other YouTube stuff too.

And I thought Naomi was excellent too, and yes, I think it's great to have someone young, fresh, and who can appeal to a wider audience.

Having a stream of older white males isn't going to do that imo.

Precisely this. Wasn't his biggest fan when he was driving but it's very clear he understands the inner workings of 2022 F1 far better than any other pundits. It's also fairly clear that he remains plugged into Mercedes as he often drops nuggets of information that could only come from within, understandable as he has relationships that remain.

He isn't beholden to the FIA or worried about free lunches in team motorhomes so often expresses quite strong opinions.

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Al U said:

I'll just add my 2p, I don't really care what sex or colour Naomi Schifff is. She makes some reasoned points, some of which are probably piped into her ear just like the other presenters. I much prefer listening to her than listening to some of the other presenters gut wrenching cringe jokes/interview questions and frequent mistakes.

People talk about her racing credentials, but it's OK for Ted Kravitz to have no racing credentials whatsoever and still do his "notebook" section. You don't have to be an ex F1 driver to talk about F1. Diversity amongst the presenters is a good thing.

For me, having to listen to Croft's terrible commentary and curling up into a ball of cringe on my sofa watching Brundle trying to talk to celebrities is enough for me to cancel my subscription the next time round. Couple that with the pretty boring racing, I'd rather keep my money in my pocket and watch the highlights on youtube while taking a number 2.

Ted used to be OK but recently it seems like he's been directed to dumb it down and act like a complete wally presumably to reach a different dynamic.

I'm 100% going the VPN/F1 TV route when my current package expires for the very reasons you highlighted.

[Tricuspid]

F1GTRUeno said:

Wait a minute

Ok, I'm still waiting ... was there a point? Are you sufficiently hard of thinking that you believe the two sentences contradict each other in some way?

[Muzzer79]

Tricuspid said:

paulguitar said:

So do you think Naomi is bad at what she does?

No, just a pointless PC addition to an otherwise excellent team

So, you don't think she does a bad job but are still against her appointment.....

Do you not see the contradiction?

[Tricuspid]

rampageturke said:

proper mask off moment

dont worry just 924 more posts and you can join your buddies in the latest NP&E anti-woke thread

Can you translate that into English? Not entirely sure what your point is, but I'll have a stab .... because she is black I am not allowed to dislike her on telly? Even if she is as vacuous and annoying as Nico Rosberg, who I also dislike despite him being as white as a white thing?

[Siao]

Tricuspid said:

rampageturke said:

proper mask off moment

dont worry just 924 more posts and you can join your buddies in the latest NP&E anti-woke thread

Can you translate that into English? Not entirely sure what your point is, but I'll have a stab .... because she is black I am not allowed to dislike her on telly? Even if she is as vacuous and annoying as Nico Rosberg, who I also dislike despite him being as white as a white thing?

What is NP&E for those who do not know?

[Petrus1983]

paulguitar said:

Tricuspid said:

It's not because she's black, I have no problem with Lewis Hamilton or Karun Chandhok. It's not because she's a woman, I have no problem with Rachael Brookes or Natalie Pinkham. She adds nothing to the show apart from token blackness.

And Rachel and Natalie were top-line drivers, were they?

Beat me to it. I even googled them incase I’d missed something - Rachel started at KissFM. Naomi is great - the drivers obviously like her, seeing her in the interview with LH showing him a picture where she’d bunked off school to see him shows she’s a proper fan girl. She’s a great link between the more experienced racers knowledge and what a lot of the ‘new’ audience off the back of D2S want to see. Good luck to her.

[mat205125]

For me, Danica Patrick has the potential to be for F1, what Suzi Perry has been for MotoGP, and brings a great level of first hand experience to pull from.

Naomi Schiff also brings tangible first hand experience, and has great chemistry with the existing team and the drivers and teams.

We need to look in the mirror, and for many of us admit that "our generation" of Brundle, Hill, and even Button are veterans of the sport.

I cringe whenever Nico Rosberg presents anything, as it's a coin toss as to whether he's going to be relevant and interesting, or completely biased and borderline petty ..... the latter can be funny though.

It's too easy to think that TV crews are selected to appease some kind of unspeakable diversity quota, however I don't see that relevant for Schiff. She's completely there on merit and relevant.

If there were a sniff of a chance they could be impartial, I think that Mrs Wolfe would be a good addition to the team.

[mat205125]

Tricuspid said:

Di Resta, Davidson, Hill, Coulthard, Button, Brundle, Herbert, Schiff, Patrick, Rosberg, Chandhok. Who's the odd one out from that list? All raced at a very high level except Naomi Schiff, despite how hard she tries to project that image.

It's not because she's black, I have no problem with Lewis Hamilton or Karun Chandhok. It's not because she's a woman, I have no problem with Rachael Brookes or Natalie Pinkham. She adds nothing to the show apart from token blackness.

Why've you not included Croft, Pinkham, Brookes, Kravitz, & Lazenby into your list of presenters to compare Schiff to?

Is it because it turns your argument and justification into an utter load of garbage?

[3anascooter]

Rather different viewpoint (to most on here) of Danica's contribution:

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/nascar/racing-world-...

I wonder who this refers to "The other two labradoodles are embarrassing themselves"!!

[Sandpit Steve]

3anascooter said:

Rather different viewpoint (to most on here) of Danica's contribution:

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/nascar/racing-world-...

I wonder who this refers to "The other two labradoodles are embarrassing themselves"!!

She was there to engage the American audience who know her - as corfirmed by articles like that from the US media - even if most of us more traditional F1 fans thought she was out of her depth.

The other two presenters were Jenson Button and Simon Lazenby.

[Teppic]

Tricuspid said:

Di Resta, Davidson, Hill, Coulthard, Button, Brundle, Herbert, Schiff, Patrick, Rosberg, Chandhok. Who's the odd one out from that list?

Out of that list? Di Resta. All the others have a personality.

[Blib]

3anascooter said:

Rather different viewpoint (to most on here) of Danica's contribution:

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/nascar/racing-world-...

I wonder who this refers to "The other two labradoodles are embarrassing themselves"!!

Click bait along with a couple of anonymous tweets. Not exactly an depth deconstruction of her role.

[Muzzer79]

Tricuspid said:

Di Resta, Davidson, Hill, Coulthard, Button, Brundle, Herbert, Schiff, Patrick, Rosberg, Chandhok. Who's the odd one out from that list?

Patrick - she's the only American.

Brundle - he is the only one born in the 1950s

Rosberg - is the only German

Hill - is the only one who has raced bikes

Am I doing this right?

[Tricuspid]

Muzzer79 said:

So, you don't think she does a bad job but are still against her appointment.....

Do you not see the contradiction?

Nope. She's a good choice for Any Driven Monday, because the tone of that show is different, but I don't get what the point of her is in the main race show. She's not as good an interviewer as Lazenby / Croft / Pinkham / Brookes, she's not a technical anaylst like Kravitz / Chandhok, and she has never raced at a high level unlike all of the pundits.

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I fail to see this Rosberg bias, any specific examples?

In the clip posted above he praises Russell's passing ability, explains Toto's working method and how he will bring the team out of their slump.

He also praises LH and in recent videos repeatedly refers to Lewis as the greatest ever.

[Tricuspid]

paulguitar said:

And Rachel and Natalie were top-line drivers, were they?

No, and I didn't say they were, but they are good at their job.

[Tricuspid]

Muzzer79 said:

Patrick - she's the only American.

Brundle - he is the only one born in the 1950s

Rosberg - is the only German

Hill - is the only one who has raced bikes

Am I doing this right?

Good effort, but you missed a few ... Di Resta is the only one to have won at DTM, ditto Davidson in WEC, Herbert is the only one to have done a full season of BTCC.

[Tricuspid]

mat205125 said:

Why've you not included Croft, Pinkham, Brookes, Kravitz, & Lazenby into your list of presenters to compare Schiff to?

Is it because it turns your argument and justification into an utter load of garbage?

No, it's because they are irrelevant to the point as they are not ex racing drivers. As I mentioned. Keep up at the back there!