Naomi Schiff

[thegreenhell]

cc3 said:

If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

Would you trust someone who used to be an expert eye surgeon but last did surgery 30 years ago before lasers were invented for the job?

[cc3]

thegreenhell said:

cc3 said:

If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

Would you trust someone who used to be an expert eye surgeon but last did surgery 30 years ago before lasers were invented for the job?

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

[entropy]

cc3 said:

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

Of all the pundits at last year's Azerbaijan Grand Prix only Paul DeResta knew what the "magic" button was for when Hamilton went off at the first corner.

[Blib]

cc3 said:

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier

IMO, If you have a surgeon who you've been going to for 25 years then you should take more care of yourself.

Schiff's OK. Damon's losing it and Johnny is Johnny.

[Ian974]

While racing knowledge/ experience is helpful, being a great driver doesn't automatically translate into being a great presenter.
Damon for example, as much as I have been a fan, just doesn't seem to work as a presenter IMO.
While Schiff obviously doesn't have the F1 experience that Hill has, she does seem to be more natural in the role, and I think will be good given a bit more time.

That said, if there was the option of booting croft out of the box and giving Raikkonen his seat, I'd happily have that just out of curiosity

[robscot]

cc3 said:

How’s the diversity and inclusion training module going ?

What is wrong with diversity and inclusion?

[MissChief]

entropy said:

cc3 said:

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

Of all the pundits at last year's Azerbaijan Grand Prix only Paul DeResta knew what the "magic" button was for when Hamilton went off at the first corner.

It's unique to Mercedes and PdR has done Sim work for Mercedes. Why would anyone else know what it was?

Edited by MissChief on Sunday 12th June 23:16

[F1GTRUeno]

cc3 said:

thegreenhell said:

cc3 said:

If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

Would you trust someone who used to be an expert eye surgeon but last did surgery 30 years ago before lasers were invented for the job?

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

Not what he asked is it?

If your surgeon hadn't done anything for 30 years would you still trust him to do a procedure?

And who cares about the risk 30/40 years ago? It's not relevant at all to now is it?

[faa77]

F1GTRUeno said:

cc3 said:

thegreenhell said:

cc3 said:

If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

Would you trust someone who used to be an expert eye surgeon but last did surgery 30 years ago before lasers were invented for the job?

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

Not what he asked is it?

If your surgeon hadn't done anything for 30 years would you still trust him to do a procedure?

And who cares about the risk 30/40 years ago? It's not relevant at all to now is it?

Would you prefer someone who has actually done at least one eye operation?

Or someone who has never done an eye operation?

[thegreenhell]

faa77 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

cc3 said:

thegreenhell said:

cc3 said:

If I need an expert I tend to hire someone with experience of the issue and has been there and done it not someone who has no experience. Same if I’m having surgery on my eyes I prefer someone who has been there done it and has a good track record of success not someone who has only done minor surgery

Would you trust someone who used to be an expert eye surgeon but last did surgery 30 years ago before lasers were invented for the job?

My surgeon is 55 been with him 25 years. Age no barrier
F1 drivers 30/40 years ago had far more risk than drivers of today just look at the death record. They probably know a thing or two about racing.

Not what he asked is it?

If your surgeon hadn't done anything for 30 years would you still trust him to do a procedure?

And who cares about the risk 30/40 years ago? It's not relevant at all to now is it?

Would you prefer someone who has actually done at least one eye operation?

Or someone who has never done an eye operation?

The reality is that you want neither of those people. Unfortunately, the most qualified person for the job has a monotonous Scottish drone that leaves you wishing for a general anaesthetic for the duration of the procedure.

[heebeegeetee]

super7 said:

The ONLY issue I have with her is in your comment above...... "She’s an experienced driver in single-seaters and sportscars, ".... NO SHE'S NOT!!!!!!

Have you seen her race record? She's only won one championship..... the Clio cup in China!! She's done a few other odd's and sods, but her last season, 2019, was in Formula W where she never finished in the top ten! in 11 years of racing. She was only a reserve driver in 2021!!! In 11 years of competing she's been in 42 odd races. Hardly an expert!!!

To be put on SKY F1 coverage and be referenced as a an expert Driver, and having her comment on car and driver behaviours is insulting to the Teams and Drivers. Have her asking general questions and as a presenter but NOT as a pundit!!!

That's all vastly more than Murray Walker, and Croftie, and many other commentators ever had.

I realise it's ancient history now, but I was annoyed at having to listen to Murray Walker for so many years. He was st! And David Croft is the same, but at an unbearable volume.

[faa77]

heebeegeetee said:

super7 said:

The ONLY issue I have with her is in your comment above...... "She’s an experienced driver in single-seaters and sportscars, ".... NO SHE'S NOT!!!!!!

Have you seen her race record? She's only won one championship..... the Clio cup in China!! She's done a few other odd's and sods, but her last season, 2019, was in Formula W where she never finished in the top ten! in 11 years of racing. She was only a reserve driver in 2021!!! In 11 years of competing she's been in 42 odd races. Hardly an expert!!!

To be put on SKY F1 coverage and be referenced as a an expert Driver, and having her comment on car and driver behaviours is insulting to the Teams and Drivers. Have her asking general questions and as a presenter but NOT as a pundit!!!

That's all vastly more than Murray Walker, and Croftie, and many other commentators ever had.

I realise it's ancient history now, but I was annoyed at having to listen to Murray Walker for so many years. He was st! And David Croft is the same, but at an unbearable volume.

But she has not been hired as a commentator (or anchor). She has been hired as a pundit (that's why she replaces Brundle and visits corners during FP2).

A pundit needs to have actually participated at the level in what they're discussing. Would you get a football player who maxed at National League level to pundit on Champions League games? No

[Second Best]

Ian974 said:

While Schiff obviously doesn't have the F1 experience that Hill has, she does seem to be more natural in the role, and I think will be good given a bit more time.

I snipped your message for the part I'm most invested in - I remember when Karun first joined, I wasn't quite sure about his presenting style when he was usually stood front and centre with the other pundits. Nowadays he's found his groove and I love his analyses before/during/after events. The same can be said with Naomi - she's new and perhaps just needs some time to get comfortable in her role, and also perhaps to mould her responsibilities around her strengths.

I'm interested to see where it goes - she's obviously enthusiastic, perhaps not the font of all knowledge, but if she can gel with the drivers / team principals etc, then a bit of camaraderie / rapport goes a lot further than an old hand asking "so how was the car" and getting a canned response.

We've seen that kind of stuff before, particularly between Natalie Pinkham and the "Twitch Quartet" - and with a few drivers and the Ziggo Sport pundits. Hopefully this'll be more of the same and we get to see perhaps some of the more light-hearted side of F1, rather than the corporate stuff or the manufactured bullst that netflix puts out.

[F1GTRUeno]

faa77 said:

But she has not been hired as a commentator (or anchor). She has been hired as a pundit (that's why she replaces Brundle and visits corners during FP2).

A pundit needs to have actually participated at the level in what they're discussing. Would you get a football player who maxed at National League level to pundit on Champions League games? No

Knowing the amount of top level managers that barely made a dent in their playing careers I'd say that yeah, I'd have someone on who knew what they were talking about but had only played at a lower level over a big name that knows nothing but won lots.

[Challo]

I dont see what the big issue is. She is a good addition to the pundit team, holds her own in terms of input and is available to gel with the drivers and teams. She has raced before in motorsport, and will have an understanding what its like being a driver, working in a race team etc. Its not like she is some random off the street with no knowledge at all.

Just because she hasnt driven an F1 car, or raced at the top level doesn't mean her views should be ignored. They have Hill, Herbet, Brundle, Chandhok already? How many more do you need?

Also F1 is trying to attract more fans to the sport, especially younger fans who will have no idea who Hill, Herbet or Brundle are and will just see them as some old bloke on the tele.

[Zetec-S]

Second Best said:

Ian974 said:

While Schiff obviously doesn't have the F1 experience that Hill has, she does seem to be more natural in the role, and I think will be good given a bit more time.

I snipped your message for the part I'm most invested in - I remember when Karun first joined, I wasn't quite sure about his presenting style when he was usually stood front and centre with the other pundits. Nowadays he's found his groove and I love his analyses before/during/after events. The same can be said with Naomi - she's new and perhaps just needs some time to get comfortable in her role, and also perhaps to mould her responsibilities around her strengths.

I'm interested to see where it goes - she's obviously enthusiastic, perhaps not the font of all knowledge, but if she can gel with the drivers / team principals etc, then a bit of camaraderie / rapport goes a lot further than an old hand asking "so how was the car" and getting a canned response.

I'd echo this. I think she has potential to add something different, and hopefully will be given time to settle properly and find her place. Karun took some time but I think is the strongest when it comes to the analysis side of things. I think Naomi being the same generation will relate to the drivers, and will get them to open up more over time.

[Drawweight]

Perhaps the ultimate example of a commentator with no experience is Suzi Perry.

I’m not saying she’s done everything but has commentated on a lot of sports in which she has no experience.

I’ve only ever watched her on Moto GP but she seems to know her stuff. I think she’s an enthusiast but I’m assuming has also done a lot of research.

I’ve no objection to a male or female commentator in any sport if they know their stuff. To simplify it you don’t have to have experienced it to describe oversteer and understeer. Multiply that by a thousand and you can commentate on F1

[heebeegeetee]

faa77 said:

But she has not been hired as a commentator (or anchor). She has been hired as a pundit (that's why she replaces Brundle and visits corners during FP2).

A pundit needs to have actually participated at the level in what they're discussing. Would you get a football player who maxed at National League level to pundit on Champions League games? No

Murray did plenty of punditry, after the races.

And then look at the journalists that we've followed over the years... From Jenkinson, through to Roebuck and nowadays Mark Hughes and no doubt many others, how much racing did they do? Where has this come from that only experienced and successful racing drivers can comment? How many current drivers are punditing?

Re other comments, I think Karun Chandock is possibly the best of them, we went to a talk given by him (at Caffeine and Machine) and he was excellent, a real breath of fresh air, knowledgeable, articulate, intelligent and entertaining, and very good at handling questions from kids too. (Speaking of which he's done some stuff for kids) https://youtu.be/drLqGMPaNVU?t=37

Also a shout out for Jenny Gow on Radio 5 Live, I think she's very good too.

[entropy]

Challo said:

I dont see what the big issue is. She is a good addition to the pundit team, holds her own in terms of input and is available to gel with the drivers and teams. She has raced before in motorsport, and will have an understanding what its like being a driver, working in a race team etc. Its not like she is some random off the street with no knowledge at all.

That's the problem. Her punditry is dire and is not an improvement on Hill or Herbert. You learn nothing new from Schiff. Any of us on PH could make the same comments as Schiff. You learn nothing new from her.

[Pflanzgarten]

Massive fan of Hill and Herbert but the pair of them struggle to put a coherent sentence together at times, not something I would accuse Schiff of.