Official 2022 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[mooseracer]

jsf said:

mooseracer said:

So the more people that watch the "greener" it becomes? Somehow negating all the emissions?

I went for a bike ride yesterday afternoon and now feel like an environmental terrorist - I should have watched the buildup instead.

I think you are reaching....

Why did you buy a bike that required energy and raw materials to manufacture and transport to you (most likely from half way round the world), when you could just walk?

Yeah but think of the shoes. Pretty much everything has an impact.

I take issue with this though "If a billion people tune in, then it's simply not an issue what carbon/energy is used to race a mere 20 cars."

You could - and I would - argue that it is worth the emissions, but you can't just dismiss them.

[Byker28i]

Max did well there, recognised he was quicker out the slow corners so left his deployment to defend those, meaning Saintz couldn't get near him by the end of the straight.
I'd like to think Leclerc could have done better, but it looks like the Ferrari was struggling to get power down out the slow corners.

[Wills2]

C70R said:

paulw123 said:

Kmag could have easily given Lewis a puncture at the start for the second time this season. Fortunately it only damaged his car this time. Man needs to learn where his front wing is.

It was a bit hot-headed. He ruined a good weekend for Haas by going for a first lap move that was never on. Alongside or not, there's no way around the outside there.

Not the first time he has done it this season either, been in a good position but decided he needs to put manners on Lewis in the first few corners and he keeps coming off worst.

[RB Will]

pablo said:

Lewis may whine a bit for some tastes, but dragging that st box to third was a massive achievement. He’s demonstrating all his talent and experience right now.

Surely he just ended up where he really should have?
In comfortably the 3rd best car and with 1 car from each of the top 2 teams out / basically out, being the GOAT 3rd was the least we should have expected?
His junior, never won a race team mate made up places and finished on his tail.

[DanielSan]

C70R said:

I don't mind a faster car staying in front, irrespective of DRS. That's just good engineering and driving.

Watching trains of 3-4 cars sit within 1sec for endless laps without overtaking, while the commentators desperately try to convince us that this is an amazing spectacle, is dire. That's what needs solving.

Use the hybrid deployment as a push to pass system that drivers can deploy for a few seconds a lap but let them use it as a tactical device to use wherever they want rather than all deploying the same tool in the same zone

[paulguitar]

RB Will said:

Surely he just ended up where he really should have?
In comfortably the 3rd best car and with 1 car from each of the top 2 teams out / basically out, being the GOAT 3rd was the least we should have expected?
His junior, never won a race team mate made up places and finished on his tail.

He didn't finish on his tail, actually, the interesting thing was how Lewis totally dropped George in that last sprint. It's possible that George was just coasting home, perhaps.

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 20th June 10:46

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 20th June 10:46

[C70R]

DanielSan said:

C70R said:

I don't mind a faster car staying in front, irrespective of DRS. That's just good engineering and driving.

Watching trains of 3-4 cars sit within 1sec for endless laps without overtaking, while the commentators desperately try to convince us that this is an amazing spectacle, is dire. That's what needs solving.

Use the hybrid deployment as a push to pass system that drivers can deploy for a few seconds a lap but let them use it as a tactical device to use wherever they want rather than all deploying the same tool in the same zone

That's pretty much what they have now. They just all use it at the same point in the lap, which renders it relatively useless as an overtaking device.

[Derek Smith]

Wills2 said:

Not the first time he has done it this season either, been in a good position but decided he needs to put manners on Lewis in the first few corners and he keeps coming off worst.

Unfortunately, not the last I reckon.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

He never will, total meat head.

I have always though this about him and it is the reason he was clearly nearly sacked several times by Haas. However, after thinking his F1 career was over, he came back this year and started to look very impressive. It was almost like he had been given a second chance that he thought he never would get, and it had totally changed the way he drove.

But no, a handful of races in that all goes out the window and we get the old KMag back.

[RB Will]

paulguitar said:

RB Will said:

Surely he just ended up where he really should have?
In comfortably the 3rd best car and with 1 car from each of the top 2 teams out / basically out, being the GOAT 3rd was the least we should have expected?
His junior, never won a race team mate made up places and finished on his tail.

He didn't finish on his tail, actually, the interesting thing was how Lewis totally dropped George in that last sprint. It's possible that George was just coasting home, perhaps.

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 20th June 10:46

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 20th June 10:46

By on his tail I meant the position behind him not pushing him over the line, but as you say I expect there was some management of the finishing positions / gap. I doubt Merc would want to risk a 3/4 finish and I’d be surprised if George was suddenly that much slower than Lewis given he was on fresher rubber too wasn’t he?
I’m not saying it was a garbage drive from Lewis but I’m not seeing anything amazing there either. If George had been about P10 on merit then maybe.

[C70R]

RB Will said:

paulguitar said:

RB Will said:

Surely he just ended up where he really should have?
In comfortably the 3rd best car and with 1 car from each of the top 2 teams out / basically out, being the GOAT 3rd was the least we should have expected?
His junior, never won a race team mate made up places and finished on his tail.

He didn't finish on his tail, actually, the interesting thing was how Lewis totally dropped George in that last sprint. It's possible that George was just coasting home, perhaps.

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 20th June 10:46

Edited by paulguitar on Monday 20th June 10:46

By on his tail I meant the position behind him not pushing him over the line, but as you say I expect there was some management of the finishing positions / gap. I doubt Merc would want to risk a 3/4 finish and I’d be surprised if George was suddenly that much slower than Lewis given he was on fresher rubber too wasn’t he?
I’m not saying it was a garbage drive from Lewis but I’m not seeing anything amazing there either. If George had been about P10 on merit then maybe.

They were only a couple of laps different, and George said something about not being able to get the pace out of them in his post-race interview. Their laptimes immediately after the safety car were very close, then Lewis just started pulling away by a couple of tenths.

I suspect if there had been any team orders we'd have heard them on Sky. They love hyping up that scurrilous nonsense.

[anonymous-user]

RB Will said:

pablo said:

Lewis may whine a bit for some tastes, but dragging that st box to third was a massive achievement. He’s demonstrating all his talent and experience right now.

Surely he just ended up where he really should have?
In comfortably the 3rd best car and with 1 car from each of the top 2 teams out / basically out, being the GOAT 3rd was the least we should have expected?
His junior, never won a race team mate made up places and finished on his tail.

Yes when you consider the reliability issues experienced by others, you’re right

[oyster]

J210 said:

freedman said:

Why did Saiz have DRS on the final two straights when he was over 1 second behind?

Was thinking the same at one point he was 1.4 behind yet still had it. No idea where the detection zones are

The DRS detection line is before the final hairpin - Sainz locked up at the final stage of braking into the hairpin. So assume he was <1s behind at detection, then lost 0.5s in the lock up.

[paulguitar]

pablo said:

RB Will said:

pablo said:

Lewis may whine a bit for some tastes, but dragging that st box to third was a massive achievement. He’s demonstrating all his talent and experience right now.

Surely he just ended up where he really should have?
In comfortably the 3rd best car and with 1 car from each of the top 2 teams out / basically out, being the GOAT 3rd was the least we should have expected?
His junior, never won a race team mate made up places and finished on his tail.

Yes when you consider the reliability issues experienced by others, you’re right

Yep, they finished much where one might expect, Mercedes has definitely not found a silver bullet. What was a relief though, as a Lewis fan, was that we finally got a race where Lewis didn't get another unrepresentative result from a badly timed safety car, with which he has been very unfortunate this season.


Also, it's clear that Mercedes is very much running the cars in different configurations, to try to get a handle on understanding this recalcitrant car. To date, Hamilton has been running the more extreme experiments, for obvious reasons, but it's been a bit painful to see how badly some of these setups have fared.

[NRS]

Derek Smith said:

Let's not be too harsh on the man.

Oh, I see, you wasn't.

I had him down as one to watch, but it turned out he was merely one to pass. He finished behind his teammate. Odd race for him, from tactics to racecraft.

I thought Leclerk , or CLC as some nominate him, could have done better as well, although, to be fair, the TV didn't tend to focus on him. I follow a live lap chart and he seemed a bit lacklustre, going quiet for a couple of laps here and there. It might have been that he was bringing down temperatures or boosting his battery; I don't know enough to say. I was hoping for the flourish of a fight with Russell towards the end.

The Mercs were surprisingly fleet. LH wasn't going to get near the battle for first, and there was no way Russell would be allowed to battle with him late in the race, so the only, albeit rather big, battle for the lead was all we had.

There was no way Sainz could have overtaken MV without risk to himself and I feel that discretion was felt to be the better option.

The Gatekeeper (under investigation)

Derec, I agree, but Sainz wasn't even close enough to pull a move unless it was just a throw it up the inside and Max has to bail to avoid a crash (resulting in a penalty at best for Sainz).

Merc was the usual best of the rest.

[tertius]

NRS said:

Derec, I agree, but Sainz wasn't even close enough to pull a move unless it was just a throw it up the inside and Max has to bail to avoid a crash (resulting in a penalty at best for Sainz).

Merc was the usual best of the rest.

LoL.

[Adrian W]

NRS said:

Derec, I agree, but Sainz wasn't even close enough to pull a move unless it was just a throw it up the inside and Max has to bail to avoid a crash (resulting in a penalty at best for Sainz).

when he was, it was obvious how much faster the Redbull was on the straights, the speed advantage completely eradicated the Ferrari push to pass.

[C70R]

Adrian W said:

NRS said:

Derec, I agree, but Sainz wasn't even close enough to pull a move unless it was just a throw it up the inside and Max has to bail to avoid a crash (resulting in a penalty at best for Sainz).

when he was, it was obvious how much faster the Redbull was on the straights, the speed advantage completely eradicated the Ferrari push to pass.

Commentary said that Carlos was 21kph faster than Max on the straight with DRS. Max was hooking up the last corner better, and deploying battery under acceleration to create a gap.

[cc3]

vaud said:

cc3 said:

Need to change rules so that you can’t use DRS every lap to stop the mid field DRS boring chain

We don't need any more rules changes yet. Let's get a season's worth of data first. Changing the DRS zones is more probable.

Mind you, even with DRS and newer tyres, Sainz couldn't pass Max, so I'm not sure a mass change to reduce DRS use would help?

Just give them 30 opportunities to use DRS in a race

[Little Pete]

tertius said:

NRS said:

Derec, I agree, but Sainz wasn't even close enough to pull a move unless it was just a throw it up the inside and Max has to bail to avoid a crash (resulting in a penalty at best for Sainz).

Merc was the usual best of the rest.

LoL.

LOL from me too!