Official 2022 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Sandpit Steve said:
Charles finished exactly where most of us predicted he would - actually one place higher, because Perez dropped out.
A good day’s work from the back row, managed to play the strategy well and get the overtakes done. An exercise in damage limitation, and not for the last time this season.
Just shows how good Lewis was in Brazil last year. A master class.A good day’s work from the back row, managed to play the strategy well and get the overtakes done. An exercise in damage limitation, and not for the last time this season.
Funny how we don't hear CH mentioning top speed anymore.
This season everyone seems to have decided that Sainz is a mug, but that's not the case on past evidence. Sainz' potential is much closer to Leclerc's than we have seen in the previous rounds of this season, and we must consider the possibility that Sainz ultimately delivered the maximum result for Ferrari yesterday. Verstappen pole was never in doubt and it didn't look like 'a Ferrari' was going to be overtaking 'a Red Bull' at this circuit on this weekend.
jsf said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Charles finished exactly where most of us predicted he would - actually one place higher, because Perez dropped out.
A good day’s work from the back row, managed to play the strategy well and get the overtakes done. An exercise in damage limitation, and not for the last time this season.
Just shows how good Lewis was in Brazil last year. A master class.A good day’s work from the back row, managed to play the strategy well and get the overtakes done. An exercise in damage limitation, and not for the last time this season.
Funny how we don't hear CH mentioning top speed anymore.
emicen said:
RemarkLima said:
Makes sense - but surely absolute lap time wouldn't matter as much here, other than getting that top end speed, so use 50% of your deployment approaching the hairpin to minimise the loss, go in deep for a late apex and use the rest of your deployment energy on the straight and with the DRS? Surely worth a go rather than hoping Verstappen makes a mistake or his tyre die quicker than yours?
He would have needed to magic up enough deployment to effectively get along side on the brakes forcing Verstappen defensive.He could then possibly run deep, square it off and use whatever remaining deployment he had left to try and get the pass done on DRS.
Except; his traction out the corner still wouldn’t be as good as Max’s, he would have used a lot of deployment already and Max could still counter with everything in his battery, he would have an even more challenging rapid rotation transitioning in to getting the power hard down.
I think Sainz did all he could really, save flinging a motocross style block pass down the inside from 50 yards back.
Lots of talk about Sainz being a sub-par driver. While that might be true, it's not the reason he couldn't pass Max.
HustleRussell said:
This season everyone seems to have decided that Sainz is a mug, but that's not the case on past evidence. Sainz' potential is much closer to Leclerc's than we have seen in the previous rounds of this season, and we must consider the possibility that Sainz ultimately delivered the maximum result for Ferrari yesterday. Verstappen pole was never in doubt and it didn't look like 'a Ferrari' was going to be overtaking 'a Red Bull' at this circuit on this weekend.
Given that Leclerc was struggling to get past the midfield, I think we can safely say that Ferrari didn't have the best package out there.HustleRussell said:
This season everyone seems to have decided that Sainz is a mug, but that's not the case on past evidence. Sainz' potential is much closer to Leclerc's than we have seen in the previous rounds of this season, and we must consider the possibility that Sainz ultimately delivered the maximum result for Ferrari yesterday. Verstappen pole was never in doubt and it didn't look like 'a Ferrari' was going to be overtaking 'a Red Bull' at this circuit on this weekend.
We shouldn't forget he beat Leclerc in last season's WDC standings with the same equipment at the first time of asking too.That's impressive, all things considered.
I don't think he's a mug.
C70R said:
HustleRussell said:
This season everyone seems to have decided that Sainz is a mug, but that's not the case on past evidence. Sainz' potential is much closer to Leclerc's than we have seen in the previous rounds of this season, and we must consider the possibility that Sainz ultimately delivered the maximum result for Ferrari yesterday. Verstappen pole was never in doubt and it didn't look like 'a Ferrari' was going to be overtaking 'a Red Bull' at this circuit on this weekend.
Given that Leclerc was struggling to get past the midfield, I think we can safely say that Ferrari didn't have the best package out there.Leclerc struggled in the race at times, and I'm not sure why. After a couple of overtakes, he slowed a bit, with the overtaken car being able to stay within a couple of seconds of his car. He'd then turn up the wick and he'd close the next gap. Was it husbanding tyres or battery management? I don't know enough to say, but it seemed odd on the day.
In any queue of traffic, the slowest car is often at the front. MV and CS circulated within DRS for the majority of the 14 final laps, yet, on occasion, CS would drop back out of DRS, although I can't remember any bigger gap than 1.7 secs. He was always able to reduce the gap to DRS within one lap, and from what I can remember, well within. He dropped back after taking a look or for charging. I wondered if temperatures were coming into play because he was hammering the brakes. Whatever, we're talking about over half a second a lap.
MV was pushing it. We all saw him squirming coming out of some corners. He was on his limit, but CS had no problems staying with him without sliding anywhere near as much. The disturbed air could not have helped through the corners, but I couldn't see any obvious problem for him.
The RB was faster down the straights, quite comfortably so, almost negating the drag reduction available to CS.
It stands to reason that the Ferrari was capable of lapping faster than the RB, but could not overtake as it was slower along the straights. That said, he was within 0.2 secs of the RB on occasion, that's on entering the final chicane and at the end of the start/finish straight.
I'm convinced that the Ferrari was faster, and had it been Charles getting that close, he'd have had a serious go at passing MV. I doubt he would have got past, not without damage, but it would have given us a lot more to talk about. And Horner as well.
Just watched the onboards of Russell's overtakes at the hairpin. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.2022-cana...
If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
silentbrown said:
Just watched the onboards of Russell's overtakes at the hairpin. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.2022-cana...
If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
That is indeed the bouncing. Merc were still noticeably worse for it than other teams, you could hear the grounding out starting earlier and harder than any other team. If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
C70R said:
HustleRussell said:
This season everyone seems to have decided that Sainz is a mug, but that's not the case on past evidence. Sainz' potential is much closer to Leclerc's than we have seen in the previous rounds of this season, and we must consider the possibility that Sainz ultimately delivered the maximum result for Ferrari yesterday. Verstappen pole was never in doubt and it didn't look like 'a Ferrari' was going to be overtaking 'a Red Bull' at this circuit on this weekend.
Given that Leclerc was struggling to get past the midfield, I think we can safely say that Ferrari didn't have the best package out there.
tsilentbrown said:
Just watched the onboards of Russell's overtakes at the hairpin. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.2022-cana...
If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
And no defensive moves at all. I guess they decided they were in a different raceIf that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
Hungrymc said:
And no defensive moves at all. I guess they decided they were in a different race
He's got a lot more confidence in the brakes/tires. The pass happens entirely in the braking zone, so the only defense is to commit to a much tighter line in the hairpin, which sacrifices speed all down that long straight.silentbrown said:
Just watched the onboards of Russell's overtakes at the hairpin. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.2022-cana...
If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
It’s.totally.. not…right…. (I had my say in the last race forums 😋)If that's the sound of the bouncing in the it's pretty shocking.
CoolHands said:
And Carlos is never a winner, as proved yesterday.
Not sure he could have won it. Listening to the podcasts today (Autosport / Missed Apex) they weren't sure he had enough to counter Max's set up.Clearly RB have both speed and found a sweet spot for traction/ERS usage coming out of the hairpin.
The issue of others is that Max is just "on it" at the moment and has a reliable car (for now). It reminds me of Schumacher at his peak in terms of discipline and performance.
Let's see what the none street circuits bring.
CoolHands said:
I think max is pretty unstoppable this season. I think Charles could beat him (but ferrari) and personally I think perez and sainz would never best him, even if they win the odd race.
Here’s hoping that the move to more permanent circuits* helps bring Mercedes to the party, and we at least see three teams going for wins. *astonishingly, of the first nine events this year, only two have been on proper modern tracks - Bahrain and Barcelona. We’ve also been to the old and bumpy Imola - and SIX races around temporary parks or streets. Of the remaining 13 races, only Singapore isn’t at a proper circuit.
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