Masi gone from F1

[PhilAsia]

Siao said:

Yes, yes, you've used this image a lot, I know it by heart. So did Masi, and he hose to ignore it completely.

I'll probably have to direct you and anyone else thinking that I'm a "Masi Apologist" to my post saying that he made mistakes. He obviously did, this was never the question, so get over it now please, Masi more than f*cked it up he brought his position and the sport into disrepute.

The whole point of my post was that being RD is a tough one. Repeatedly proved to be and still is this season even with all the new measures introduced last year and having two of them, with experience. Just that. The rules have not been revised to be black and white. That is the only thing that makes the application tough. Clarify and apply the clarification. The rule Masi opted to ignore was absolutely clear to him the year previously and had NEVER been applied in that manner previously

[angrymoby]

Siao said:

Ok, thank you. I wonder why did they have to ban the comms then, if the RD can just ignore them?

afaiaa they haven't been banned

the public broadcasting has & team principles direct contact has ...but teams are still in communication via their sporting directors, so yes- the RD's can just ignore them, but Masi chose to 'entertain' them for whatever reason (& imo the public broadcasting probably had much to do with that- see jsf's point)

Edited by angrymoby on Friday 15th July 15:18

[angrymoby]

kimducati said:

IF that was his goal (I'm not saying it was, necessarily) a 'correction' in the first few laps would give LH the entire race to get it back again, whereas IF you engineer a far from equal last lap shoot out..........................................................
Job jobbed - quite literally
Kim

so Latifi was in on it too then?

[angrymoby]

jm doc said:

Embarrassing.

you really do have zero self awareness

[Siao]

angrymoby said:

Siao said:

Ok, thank you. I wonder why did they have to ban the comms then, if the RD can just ignore them?

afaiaa they haven't been banned

the public broadcasting has & team principles direct contact has ...but teams are still in communication via their sporting directors

I thought this has happened this year:

"The FIA has changed its procedures for this year, with teams no longer having direct radio communication at all times with the race director.

Any conversations that do take place between the teams and race control will be done through another representative in race control, who will then forward on any important information to the race director."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-abu-dhabi-ra...

They are not allowed direct comms with the RD, but only via someone else in race control who may or may not transmit something to the RD, if they feel it is important enough. This is how I understand it at least.

[angrymoby]

Siao said:

angrymoby said:

Siao said:

Ok, thank you. I wonder why did they have to ban the comms then, if the RD can just ignore them?

afaiaa they haven't been banned

the public broadcasting has & team principles direct contact has ...but teams are still in communication via their sporting directors

I thought this has happened this year:

"The FIA has changed its procedures for this year, with teams no longer having direct radio communication at all times with the race director.

Any conversations that do take place between the teams and race control will be done through another representative in race control, who will then forward on any important information to the race director."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-abu-dhabi-ra...

They are not allowed direct comms with the RD, but only via someone else in race control who may or may not transmit something to the RD, if they feel it is important enough. This is how I understand it at least.

i think that last paragraph is Jonathan Noble's view, which is slightly different to MBS's comments in his video statement

[oyster]

paulguitar said:

Frimley111R said:

Jasandjules said:

Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.

Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner

The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.

And there'll be the remainder (probably 90% of F1 fans) who will remember it as a farce and know that Hamilton was robbed, but will acknowledge Verstappen as the champion. Then in 30 years time, we'll be gone and the way Verstappen won will be largely forgotten.

[Siao]

angrymoby said:

Siao said:

angrymoby said:

Siao said:

Ok, thank you. I wonder why did they have to ban the comms then, if the RD can just ignore them?

afaiaa they haven't been banned

the public broadcasting has & team principles direct contact has ...but teams are still in communication via their sporting directors

I thought this has happened this year:

"The FIA has changed its procedures for this year, with teams no longer having direct radio communication at all times with the race director.

Any conversations that do take place between the teams and race control will be done through another representative in race control, who will then forward on any important information to the race director."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-abu-dhabi-ra...

They are not allowed direct comms with the RD, but only via someone else in race control who may or may not transmit something to the RD, if they feel it is important enough. This is how I understand it at least.

i think that last paragraph is Jonathan Noble's view, which is slightly different to MBS's comments in his video statement

Very possibly. What did MBS say? I don't remember that if I'm honest.

Funny though, I came across this article from last year:

https://racingnews365.com/masi-explains-how-team-r...

Masi was saying that he believes that the teams had actually toned it down last year, after they started broadcasting their messages during the races. You can only imagine what was happening before that!

[Siao]

oyster said:

paulguitar said:

Frimley111R said:

Jasandjules said:

Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.

Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner

The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.

And there'll be the remainder (probably 90% of F1 fans) who will remember it as a farce and know that Hamilton was robbed, but will acknowledge Verstappen as the champion. Then in 30 years time, we'll be gone and the way Verstappen won will be largely forgotten.

Not sure, people still discuss the '89-'90 season endings, 30 years later. Nothing is forgotten

[Mr Tidy]

Siao said:

oyster said:

paulguitar said:

Frimley111R said:

Jasandjules said:

Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.

Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner

The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.

And there'll be the remainder (probably 90% of F1 fans) who will remember it as a farce and know that Hamilton was robbed, but will acknowledge Verstappen as the champion. Then in 30 years time, we'll be gone and the way Verstappen won will be largely forgotten.

Not sure, people still discuss the '89-'90 season endings, 30 years later. Nothing is forgotten

Exactly - I still remember Schumacher putting Hill in the catch-fence in 1994!

[jm doc]

angrymoby said:

jm doc said:

Embarrassing.

you really do have zero self awareness

I'm fully aware of what goes on in the real world. It's quite extraordinary the lengths some people will go to in order to seek to excuse and exculpate Masi from his actions in AD. Similar things have happened in other areas of life where there have been serious failures and these get covered up. There are plenty of examples over the last 30 or so years in the UK.

The bottom line is Masi stated the rules, was asked to break the rules and did so which enabled RB to win the title. To suggest that these aren't linked defies rational thinking and should be the first port of call in any investigation, which if proven would amount to a serious criminal act.

You can criticise my self awareness as much as you like, but what does it say about your awareness of the real world? Zero I would suggest, and yes, embarrassing to see such childlike naivety proudly on display.

[jm doc]

oyster said:

paulguitar said:

Frimley111R said:

Jasandjules said:

Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.

Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner

The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.

And there'll be the remainder (probably 90% of F1 fans) who will remember it as a farce and know that Hamilton was robbed, but will acknowledge Verstappen as the champion. Then in 30 years time, we'll be gone and the way Verstappen won will be largely forgotten.

Wishful thinking on the part of all Max fans.

[LM240]

Mr Tidy said:

Siao said:

oyster said:

paulguitar said:

Frimley111R said:

Jasandjules said:

Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.

Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner

The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.

And there'll be the remainder (probably 90% of F1 fans) who will remember it as a farce and know that Hamilton was robbed, but will acknowledge Verstappen as the champion. Then in 30 years time, we'll be gone and the way Verstappen won will be largely forgotten.

Not sure, people still discuss the '89-'90 season endings, 30 years later. Nothing is forgotten

Exactly - I still remember Schumacher putting Hill in the catch-fence in 1994!

Close, so close to getting a ‘whoosh’ with my response I’d started typing…

[NRS]

HustleRussell said:

PhilAsia said:

HustleRussell said:

IMO Masi was improperly exposed to an array of conflicting forces which made his job frankly impossible. Inevitably, he finally made a gaffe which was sufficiently serious and public that it was terminal for his position.

I understand what you are saying, but he was not Entertainment Director. He was RACE Director and in that position he is required to follow the rules that he had previously defended - that is all.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just acknowledging that human error is a thing, and that he was overexposed in his role by the governance structure and also by his own inexperience.

The governance structure is he sends the on-track decisions to the stewards.

His issue was he then took over the stewarding role and started making inconsistent decisions there. As a result that meant the teams bombarded him with calls as they were allowed to speak to the person making the decision, whereas when it was with the stewards they didn’t have that option.

His own ego meant he had a far far bigger workload - as he made decisions on on-track fights, which then resulted in him being contacted by the teams taking even more time. If he’d just directed any problems to the stewards he’d not have had nearly the same issues.

[Maxdecel]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62367391 Michael Masi reveals death threats after Abu Dhabi finale.

[vdn]

Maxdecel said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62367391 Michael Masi reveals death threats after Abu Dhabi finale.

Never right, but not surprising in the least. He is responsible for one of the biggest fk ups in recent sporting history...

[DanielSan]

Autosport also reporting the FIA made him sign an NDA regarding what happened in the stewards room... It's almost like he was told to do something he may not have wanted to do.

[Sandpit Steve]

For all the talk about the rain, it looks like the wind is going to be the most significant factor in this race.

[paulguitar]

Sandpit Steve said:

For all the talk about the rain, it looks like the wind is going to be the most significant factor in this race.

[911r]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/62367391

Are we supposed to feel sorry for him ? Pulling the mental health card !

fk off

I wonder how Lewis’s mental health was after what he did .