Masi gone from F1

[Muzzer79]

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

[RB Will]

I really feel for the guy over this situation.

I don’t believe for a second he did it in order to manipulate the final result to be a Max win. As he said to Toto, it is a race and I think he was just trying to achieve something exciting for everyone. Which is an understandable thought. F1 fans forever bang on about it being boring etc. there would also have been no end of moaning if the most dramatic final race race of a season ended under a safety car so he was in a lose lose situation.

It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.

Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work ( though much less important and lower profile obviously) of having to deviate from normal procedure to get the job done and being shat all over for it.

[coyft]

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

I’d try and explain my genuine “mistake” and I’m sure most people would understand…. I’d also say sorry.

Edited by coyft on Monday 1st August 12:00

[911r]

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

I think you need to put this in perspective , what sort of mistake are we talking about here ? For example shall we say you worked at the financial services authority . Then changed the rules on some investment law for no reason what so ever and costing a pension fund let’s say 500mm ? Then telling the pension companies ceo that “this is the markets” in a really arrogant tone .

That sort of mistake ?

Also just so you know this is how many people Masi fked over at the BARE minimum .

More than 950 employees work 24 hours a day, seven days a week on the Brackley site (merc f1)

I’m interested what would you say to Masi if you had the chance ? Written warning for his “mistake” at work ? Or just a verbal warning ?

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:05

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:06

[angrymoby]

Muzzer79 said:

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

maybe after the first one turn filter unknown senders on?

[paulguitar]

RB Will said:

I really feel for the guy over this situation.

I don’t believe for a second he did it in order to manipulate the final result to be a Max win. As he said to Toto, it is a race and I think he was just trying to achieve something exciting for everyone. Which is an understandable thought. F1 fans forever bang on about it being boring etc. there would also have been no end of moaning if the most dramatic final race race of a season ended under a safety car so he was in a lose lose situation.

It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.

Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work ( though much less important and lower profile obviously) of having to deviate from normal procedure to get the job done and being shat all over for it.

Pretty much everything in this post is wrong. Saying to Toto 'It's called a motor race', after completely disregarding the rules, was a shocking, disgraceful thing to do. He's not there to 'just achieve something exciting for everyone'. He's there to run the race within the existing rules, which he chose not to do.

Anyone moaning if the race had finished under a safety car can be disregarded as ignorant and'or a Drive to Survive 'fan'. Sometimes races end under safety cars. It's not perfect, but it's infinitely preferable to fixing the race.

And if you have done any racing, you will understand that he did hand the win to Verstappen. Hamilton's position was like a sprinter having his shoes tied together.

It was an utter, utter disgrace.

[angrymoby]

RB Will said:

I really feel for the guy over this situation.

It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.

did he heck, Mazepin could've got that Red Bull over the line 1st such was the tyre difference

RB Will said:

Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work

& you got paid x millions to keep schtum? ...if so shouldn't you be on a yacht somewhere rather than posting on PH?

[PhilAsia]

Masi manipulated the course of a worldwide spectacle. One that affected thousands involved in the outcome.

He knew without a doubt that he was changing rules that he defended a year previously.

With Max on new softs Masi would have known - and as indeed I, my wife, the teams, the drivers, and the majority of the F1 audience would have known at the time - the outcome was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% certain.

He made his bed. What did he expect, a pat on the back for actively ruining a season?

Where is the apology? The shame? The remorse?

[SmoothCriminal]

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

Mistake lol.

Masi deserves everything he got, he got a few mean words on LinkedIn which he brought on himself.

People at Merc spent year(s) of their lives and Daimler millions of pounds for an achievement that Maso cheated them out of

[RB Will]

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

I really feel for the guy over this situation.

It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.

did he heck, Mazepin could've got that Red Bull over the line 1st such was the tyre difference

RB Will said:

Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work

& you got paid x millions to keep schtum? ...if so shouldn't you be on a yacht somewhere rather than posting on PH?

I think it is easy to say it was foregone with hindsight but Lewis did a great restart and Max was a fair way off and had to make a pretty decent overtake that nobody saw coming. If he hadn't done it there then it would have been game over as the only other options were at the end of 2 long straights where regardless of tyres Lewis was just going to walk away from him, Max had to go very defensive twice to stop Lewis waltzing back past in a much faster car. Nobody was overtaking in sector 3 whatever the tyres were so it was very touch and go.

Unfortunately I didn't get paid millions to shut up. I fully documented it all and explained it all, it was the client's fault and I had to deviate from SOP to get the job done, just got shat all over as people were not happy with the specific way I went about things even though it made no difference to the end product.

[wpa1975]

paulguitar said:

Pretty much everything in this post is wrong. Saying to Toto 'It's called a motor race', after completely disregarding the rules, was a shocking, disgraceful thing to do. He's not there to 'just achieve something exciting for everyone'. He's there to run the race within the existing rules, which he chose not to do.

Anyone moaning if the race had finished under a safety car can be disregarded as ignorant and'or a Drive to Survive 'fan'. Sometimes races end under safety cars. It's not perfect, but it's infinitely preferable to fixing the race.

And if you have done any racing, you will understand that he did hand the win to Verstappen. Hamilton's position was like a sprinter having his shoes tied together.

It was an utter, utter disgrace.

Agreed, he could have ended it under the safety car, yes people would have moaned but it would have better than fixing the race as he did.

[angrymoby]

RB Will said:

I think it is easy to say it was foregone with hindsight but Lewis did a great restart and Max was a fair way off and had to make a pretty decent overtake that nobody saw coming. If he hadn't done it there then it would have been game over as the only other options were at the end of 2 long straights where regardless of tyres Lewis was just going to walk away from him, Max had to go very defensive twice to stop Lewis waltzing back past in a much faster car. Nobody was overtaking in sector 3 whatever the tyres were so it was very touch and go.

suggest you re-watch the restart ...Max was 4/10ths behind as they crossed the line & 3/10ths ahead after T5- thats a difference of over 2-3 seconds a lap!- Max could pretty much choose anywhere he liked to pass with that advantage

RB Will said:

Unfortunately I didn't get paid millions to shut up. I fully documented it all and explained it all, it was the client's fault and I had to deviate from SOP to get the job done, just got shat all over as people were not happy with the specific way I went about things even though it made no difference to the end product.

key difference

Edited by angrymoby on Monday 1st August 14:32

[Muzzer79]

911r said:

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

What sort of mistake are we talking about here ? For example shall we say you worked at the financial services authority . Then changed the rules on some investment law for no reason what so ever and costing a pension fund let’s say 500mm ? Then telling the pension companies ceo that “this is the markets” in a really arrogant tone .

That sort of mistake ?

Also just so you know this is how many people Masi fked over at the BARE minimum .

More than 950 employees work 24 hours a day, seven days a week on the Brackley site (merc f1)

I’m interested what would you say to Masi if you had the chance ? Written warning for his “mistake” at work ? Or just a verbal warning ?

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:05

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:06

I wouldn't say anything to Masi. How he is dealt with at work is up to his employers. As it happens, he has lost his job, which I agree with because he made a monumental error.

I think what you and several others are mistaking is that it doesn't matter what the error was at work, it doesn't warrant hundreds of people piling on and sending abusive and threatening messages, including death threats.

It was a car race. He messed up. It affected a lot of people. But he didn't commit mass murder FFS.

911r said:

I think you need to put this in perspective

The irony is so thick.....

[NRS]

RB Will said:

I think it is easy to say it was foregone with hindsight but Lewis did a great restart and Max was a fair way off and had to make a pretty decent overtake that nobody saw coming.

That's rubbish, I for one saw it coming. I literally stopped watching because it was so obvious what would happen when one car was on fresh softs against worn hards, there was no point in watching what was a guaranteed result for Max. We've seen it several other times when a car in the lead has cars with fresh rubber behind them - they don't survive a lap. Look how many times at the start of a race the car with the harder compound gets done, and that is always with just 1 level harder, and brand new rubber too. This was 2 levels of rubber difference, AND much older rubber too (worse for hards as it makes them ever harder to warm up).

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

I'd expect that if I cost huge sports following the "correct" result, cost a team of people working super hard all year the result, cost someone a sporting record as a result, and cost millions of people money due to bets. I'd also apologise and not just sign an NDA (which tends to indicate something is being covered up, not what you'd expect from a "mistake". Death threats and racism are unacceptable. But I'd expect people calling him a moron or similar.

What would you expect, people to say nothing and that he did a great job throughout the season? The people supporting his decision were literally saying he was a cheat earlier in the race, and in previous races. He was incompetent at best, and something dodgy at worst.

[911r]

Muzzer79 said:

911r said:

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

What sort of mistake are we talking about here ? For example shall we say you worked at the financial services authority . Then changed the rules on some investment law for no reason what so ever and costing a pension fund let’s say 500mm ? Then telling the pension companies ceo that “this is the markets” in a really arrogant tone .

That sort of mistake ?

Also just so you know this is how many people Masi fked over at the BARE minimum .

More than 950 employees work 24 hours a day, seven days a week on the Brackley site (merc f1)

I’m interested what would you say to Masi if you had the chance ? Written warning for his “mistake” at work ? Or just a verbal warning ?

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:05

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:06

I wouldn't say anything to Masi. How he is dealt with at work is up to his employers. As it happens, he has lost his job, which I agree with because he made a monumental error.

I think what you and several others are mistaking is that it doesn't matter what the error was at work, it doesn't warrant hundreds of people piling on and sending abusive and threatening messages, including death threats.

It was a car race. He messed up. It affected a lot of people. But he didn't commit mass murder FFS.

911r said:

I think you need to put this in perspective

The irony is so thick.....

He didn’t commit ms murder no and he also didn’t say sorry .

Are you one of those people who don’t put their hand up when they fked up ?

[HustleRussell]

RB Will said:

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

I really feel for the guy over this situation.

It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.

did he heck, Mazepin could've got that Red Bull over the line 1st such was the tyre difference

RB Will said:

Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work

& you got paid x millions to keep schtum? ...if so shouldn't you be on a yacht somewhere rather than posting on PH?

I think it is easy to say it was foregone with hindsight but Lewis did a great restart and Max was a fair way off and had to make a pretty decent overtake that nobody saw coming. If he hadn't done it there then it would have been game over as the only other options were at the end of 2 long straights where regardless of tyres Lewis was just going to walk away from him, Max had to go very defensive twice to stop Lewis waltzing back past in a much faster car. Nobody was overtaking in sector 3 whatever the tyres were so it was very touch and go.

You are attempting to re-write history here. Unfortunately everybody else in the thread watched the race too.

[Muzzer79]

911r said:

Muzzer79 said:

911r said:

Muzzer79 said:

coyft said:

Muzzer79 said:

So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?

Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.

Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a if you don’t want to be called one.

I wonder if you'd have the same viewpoint if hundreds of people messaged you calling you everything under the sun because you made a mistake at work.

What sort of mistake are we talking about here ? For example shall we say you worked at the financial services authority . Then changed the rules on some investment law for no reason what so ever and costing a pension fund let’s say 500mm ? Then telling the pension companies ceo that “this is the markets” in a really arrogant tone .

That sort of mistake ?

Also just so you know this is how many people Masi fked over at the BARE minimum .

More than 950 employees work 24 hours a day, seven days a week on the Brackley site (merc f1)

I’m interested what would you say to Masi if you had the chance ? Written warning for his “mistake” at work ? Or just a verbal warning ?

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:05

Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:06

I wouldn't say anything to Masi. How he is dealt with at work is up to his employers. As it happens, he has lost his job, which I agree with because he made a monumental error.

I think what you and several others are mistaking is that it doesn't matter what the error was at work, it doesn't warrant hundreds of people piling on and sending abusive and threatening messages, including death threats.

It was a car race. He messed up. It affected a lot of people. But he didn't commit mass murder FFS.

911r said:

I think you need to put this in perspective

The irony is so thick.....

He didn’t commit ms murder no and he also didn’t say sorry .

Are you one of those people who don’t put their hand up when they fked up ?

I don't know the details of Masi's NDA. However, I would put strong money on it

a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.

b) Containing clauses that say he can't acknowledge the mistakes that were made. Because publicly doing puts the '21 championship officially in question, rather than just morally, and F1 wants to move on.

So, whilst I'm sure he'd like to explain the events of that day, he can't. Regardless, the crux of the matter is that he doesn't deserve online abuse.

[coyft]

Muzzer79 said:

I don't know the details of Masi's NDA. However, I would put strong money on it

a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.

b) Containing clauses that say he can't acknowledge the mistakes that were made. Because publicly doing puts the '21 championship officially in question, rather than just morally, and F1 wants to move on.

So, whilst I'm sure he'd like to explain the events of that day, he can't. Regardless, the crux of the matter is that he doesn't deserve online abuse.

Serious question when does someone deserve abuse? How about a best mate that shags your wife? Is it ok to call him a in public?!

[mw88]

coyft said:

Serious question when does someone deserve abuse? How about a best mate that shags your wife? Is it ok to call him a in public?!

Hamilton was fked but he isn't your wife though

[coyft]

mw88 said:

coyft said:

Serious question when does someone deserve abuse? How about a best mate that shags your wife? Is it ok to call him a in public?!

Hamilton was fked but he isn't your wife though

I’d call anyones best mate who shagged their wife a though