Masi gone from F1

[Big Nanas]

angrymoby said:

mat205125 said:

Masi deteriorated in 2021 to being close to a Premiership ref, with Wolfe and Horner being the stroppy primidones falling, pushing, shouting, and shoving, instead of respecting and behaving.

im sure most football referees would quite like to be separated from the players/ managers by being on another pitch & be only contactable via a comms that has an on/off button

stop making excuses for the man

But in a football match the game is effectively paused when that happens, and it's only the players that are arguing. The managers are no where near the referee. Masi had to deal with these two whilst trying to work what to do next - all whilst the laps were counting down.

[amare32]

I'm sure RB has already dumped a few £££million into Masi's bank account to help him get over this ordeal...

[angrymoby]

Big Nanas said:

But in a football match the game is effectively paused when that happens

football stoppages are completely discretionary

Big Nanas said:

and it's only the players that are arguing.

in F1 the 'players' have no contact

Big Nanas said:

The managers are no where near the referee.

same as F1 then

Big Nanas said:

Masi had to deal with these two whilst trying to work what to do next - all whilst the laps were counting down.

did he? ...did he really?

[mw88]

Simoncelli58 said:

Glad he's gone .....but some people here are getting carried away .

He should never have been in a position to make such a ridiculous decision .

Also feel people are forgetting that we are talking about a real person here , not a machine or a committee . I hope his mental health is seriously robust because that is some fall from grace........... Think before you ink .

It's only sport and the F1 machine is in rude health .

Careful. Logical thinking like that isn't welcome in these parts

[entropy]

mat205125 said:

Whiting was the Rugby referee, who's voice was heard, respected, and never questioned, purely out of respect for the role.

[Big Nanas]

angrymoby said:

Big Nanas said:

But in a football match the game is effectively paused when that happens

football stoppages are completely discretionary

Big Nanas said:

and it's only the players that are arguing.

in F1 the 'players' have no contact

Big Nanas said:

The managers are no where near the referee.

same as F1 then

Big Nanas said:

Masi had to deal with these two whilst trying to work what to do next - all whilst the laps were counting down.

did he? ...did he really?

You’re right, identical scenarios. Thanks for clarifying.

There’s a good reason I didn’t comment post AD. I’ll leave you lot to it. Sheesh.

[HighwayStar]

Big Nanas said:

angrymoby said:

mat205125 said:

Masi deteriorated in 2021 to being close to a Premiership ref, with Wolfe and Horner being the stroppy primidones falling, pushing, shouting, and shoving, instead of respecting and behaving.

im sure most football referees would quite like to be separated from the players/ managers by being on another pitch & be only contactable via a comms that has an on/off button

stop making excuses for the man

But in a football match the game is effectively paused when that happens, and it's only the players that are arguing. The managers are no where near the referee. Masi had to deal with these two whilst trying to work what to do next - all whilst the laps were counting down.

What did he need to work out… Masi already knew what to do next, he’d done it before and made it clear he had to follow the rules.

[paulw123]

Good riddance. Red bull owe him a decent job though.

[Sandpit Steve]

Big Nanas said:

But in a football match the game is effectively paused when that happens, and it's only the players that are arguing. The managers are no where near the referee. Masi had to deal with these two whilst trying to work what to do next - all whilst the laps were counting down.

But he put himself in the position of being able to be pressured directly by the competitors.

There’s a reasonable argument that the FIA screwed up by putting one man in that position, with all the pressure on him at the end of a long championship, and that they then threw him under the bus when he fked up - but he knew the rules, and knew how to apply them - then failed to do so, with 100m people watching.

[Milkyway]

Masi...

[angrymoby]

Big Nanas said:

You’re right, identical scenarios. Thanks for clarifying.

i didn't start the analogy

Big Nanas said:

There’s a good reason I didn’t comment post AD. I’ll leave you lot to it. Sheesh.

it was a lot of different comments to keep track of, so probably for the best

[NRS]

mat205125 said:

A human being, in a position that requires very speedy actions and reactions to events unfolding at a rate of knots in front of them, whilst being bombarded by interested parties yelling their points of view or "instructions" from all angles, and with any decision being made under continual scrutiny by those with the benefit of a million replays and sets of professional and amateur eyes who all claim to be impartial, however rarely (if ever) truly are.

The workload bandwidth has been attempted to be resolved with the mixing up and multiple people, however the loss of having a single source of judgement and accountability has been exposed.

Last year was the first year that the "chatter" between Race Director was public, and maybe every director has been blasted by Toto-esq tantrums from all angles for decades, however I doubt it.

Masi and the FIAs collective largest failure was commanding respect and manners from everyone within the paddock.

Whiting was the Rugby referee, who's voice was heard, respected, and never questioned, purely out of respect for the role.

Masi deteriorated in 2021 to being close to a Premiership ref, with Wolfe and Horner being the stroppy primidones falling, pushing, shouting, and shoving, instead of respecting and behaving.

It was his own fault. A RD should not be making decisions on on-track battles. He just refers it to the stewards and lets them make the decision. Instead he started making lots of decisions himself, which meant far more work for himself to do. This was made far worse by being inconsistent, so he then got stick from both sides as there was no clear rules. Then to make things worse he made a panicked\corrupt decision on the fly. One of the first things I learned at work is if something requires a decision quickly just do what you've done before if you don't feel you have time. Making a random completely new decision on the fly is a very bad idea, and should not be expected from supposedly the best person for the job.

[Zarco]

Adrian W said:

I still think he is a scapegoat and did exactly as he was told, hopefully now he has gone he will spill the beans

I wonder if they have paid him off

I still think he is a bellend.

[jm doc]

Muzzer79 said:

jm doc said:

No, he very clearly did not make a "mistake". He knew the rules, he has quoted them unprompted in the past.

This was very simply a person in authority directly influencing the outcome of a worldwide sporting event, at the request of one team and even refusing the direct request of the other team to follow the rules.

This had multi-million pound consequnces for thousands of people.

That is corrupt, until proven otherwise by a full investigation under the auspices of the law.

So, guilty until proven innocent?

Everyone saw what he did, he deliberately influenced the outcome of the race by changing the rules, despite his attention being drawn firmly to the rules. If you saw someone walk into a shop, put his hand in the till and walk off with cash despite the protestations of the shopkeeper you would say he was a thief wouldn't you?

[Muzzer79]

jm doc said:

Muzzer79 said:

jm doc said:

No, he very clearly did not make a "mistake". He knew the rules, he has quoted them unprompted in the past.

This was very simply a person in authority directly influencing the outcome of a worldwide sporting event, at the request of one team and even refusing the direct request of the other team to follow the rules.

This had multi-million pound consequnces for thousands of people.

That is corrupt, until proven otherwise by a full investigation under the auspices of the law.

So, guilty until proven innocent?

Everyone saw what he did, he deliberately influenced the outcome of the race by changing the rules, despite his attention being drawn firmly to the rules. If you saw someone walk into a shop, put his hand in the till and walk off with cash despite the protestations of the shopkeeper you would say he was a thief wouldn't you?

OK Alex Jones; you’re saying he did it deliberately.

What was his motive, what was his reward and where’s the evidence of both?

[confucuis]

Muzzer79 said:

What was his motive?

This is all my personal opinion and I've no evidence to support this but:

The "show" was his motive.

I think Liberty had got the season they wanted, full of controversy and drama that was precipitated by what seemed to be poor decisions by the officials. But if you look at those decisions through the context that Liberty wanted to "spice" up the championship and probably made it known to the FIA/stewards that they should let some things slide to ensure the "show".

Liberty built up the last race to be something epic. Two bitter rivals! Tied on points! Winner takes all!

However, Merc threw a spanner in the works in that they just fked off into the distance in the last race, with no chance of anyone catching them, no chance for battles, no "show". Liberty's big crescendo gone. But then Latifi crashed and they got their opportunity. That's why Masi first said that the cars would not be allowed to overtake then suddenly 30 seconds later, he countermanded that order. He got a nudge.

Liberty did not expect the utter ststorm that rightly ensued. They probably expected everyone to love the drama, manufactured or not as is the American tendency with sport is. I don't think Masi intentionally bent the rules to favour RB, but more he bent the rules to favour the "show" which happened to involve RB and Merc.

/Tinfoil hat

[Milkyway]

It all will be revealed... in fifty years time.
There will be a big documentary, where all those involved get together to reminisce over the proceedings.

No doubt there will be a film made... obviously with the ‘Hollywood’ treatment.

Edited by Milkyway on Thursday 14th July 00:04

[PhilAsia]

Anyone with half a brain can deduce a conversation between Team Principals and the Race Director would be a ten second conversation.

TP: "Do this"

RD: "The rules state I do this"



Conversation over.


I believe below is most likely what transpired...

confucuis said:

Muzzer79 said:

What was his motive?

This is all my personal opinion and I've no evidence to support this but:

The "show" was his motive.

I think Liberty had got the season they wanted, full of controversy and drama that was precipitated by what seemed to be poor decisions by the officials. But if you look at those decisions through the context that Liberty wanted to "spice" up the championship and probably made it known to the FIA/stewards that they should let some things slide to ensure the "show".

Liberty built up the last race to be something epic. Two bitter rivals! Tied on points! Winner takes all!

However, Merc threw a spanner in the works in that they just fked off into the distance in the last race, with no chance of anyone catching them, no chance for battles, no "show". Liberty's big crescendo gone. But then Latifi crashed and they got their opportunity. That's why Masi first said that the cars would not be allowed to overtake then suddenly 30 seconds later, he countermanded that order. He got a nudge.

Liberty did not expect the utter ststorm that rightly ensued. They probably expected everyone to love the drama, manufactured or not as is the American tendency with sport is. I don't think Masi intentionally bent the rules to favour RB, but more he bent the rules to favour the "show" which happened to involve RB and Merc.

/Tinfoil hat

Edited by PhilAsia on Thursday 14th July 05:43

[WonkeyDonkey]

The whole end of last season was just for the show.

Max didn't get punished for pushing Hamilton a full 100 metres off track in Brazil.

He got a inconsequential penalty for his brake check in Saudi.

Brake checking should have been clamped down on hard, for a sport that is watched by millions world wide its an act that should never ever be acceptable as idiots are bound to repeat it on the road.

[paulguitar]

WonkeyDonkey said:

Brake checking should have been clamped down on hard, for a sport that is watched by millions world wide its an act that should never ever be acceptable as idiots are bound to repeat it on the road.

The minimum penalty for that should have been a black flag. That would have ruined their big showbiz end to the season for Drive to Survive though.