F1 worker racist abuse
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cc3 said:
Will be interesting to hear Vettel’s comments. A story like this is outrageous amazing this type of thing happens in the workplace in 2022
Personally I'm more amazed that people think it doesn't. Racism and homophobia is a daily occurrence in a lot of motor trade premises going by my experience. I expect it's the same in a lot of blue collar environments as I wouldn't think the motor trade has a monopoly on it.JoelH said:
cc3 said:
Will be interesting to hear Vettel’s comments. A story like this is outrageous amazing this type of thing happens in the workplace in 2022
Personally I'm more amazed that people think it doesn't. Racism and homophobia is a daily occurrence in a lot of motor trade premises going by my experience. I expect it's the same in a lot of blue collar environments as I wouldn't think the motor trade has a monopoly on it.dibbers006 said:
Because most people really need their jobs and income and if it's not directly happening to you...
It doesn't take much to comment on something not being right.Having said that, in 1985 I once lost a job as a result of speaking up. I cut corners and was pulled aside for questioning. It became apparent that it was either me or an Indian guy who was responsible (we were both covering for a guy who was on holiday, or sick, I forget which) and it was absolutely clear that they were angling for me to implicate and boot the Indian guy.
I had no option in my mind. The guy had a young family and I was guilty. I told them what I thought of their racist vendetta and that I was responsible and left.
Although I had to leave a good job, I was, and still am glad I did the right thing.
JoelH said:
cc3 said:
Will be interesting to hear Vettel’s comments. A story like this is outrageous amazing this type of thing happens in the workplace in 2022
Personally I'm more amazed that people think it doesn't. Racism and homophobia is a daily occurrence in a lot of motor trade premises going by my experience. I expect it's the same in a lot of blue collar environments as I wouldn't think the motor trade has a monopoly on it.I'm not doubting what say, by the way, but what is it about those environments that would make it more prevalent?
PorkInsider said:
Why would it be more prevalent in the motor trade and blue collar environments?
I'm not doubting what say, by the way, but what is it about those environments that would make it more prevalent?
Just my personal experience from working in a large range of different environments. I saw far more of what would be considered racist (and homophobic) abuse when I worked in those environments than I ever saw elsewhere. I'm not doubting what say, by the way, but what is it about those environments that would make it more prevalent?
Comments that were made in jest (not that I agreed with them) on the shop floor in one business would get you sacked in the IT department of another business for example.
It is probably the difference between working in an office and in a largely physical menial environment, the two are very different for all sorts of reasons.
Some will say intelligence is lower in a physical environment and in some cases that might be true, but in reality it is a way of passing time between jobs, having a laugh with workmates and establishing bonds. I have experienced mild racism and strong racism along work colleagues, sexism aswell.
if people do not like that sort of thing, it might be that they are not suited to that sort of environment, as in my experience of working in those sorts of places none of these things (and some of them are pretty strong) is meant with any malice.
Now, the trouble is this is not really acceptable these days, so working in these sorts of places CAN be a bit walking on eggshells like. Or it becomes stale and boring as an office might more be.
But, my theory is that if you are wise enough to work people out, you can still say some things to some and some things to others and it is perfectly alright. It is making friendships and establishing relationships that benefit you both long term. and that means a lot in a manual work place.
If you just apply a one size fits all approach then perhaps these days you will fall foul of complaints and accusations and rightly so.
Some will say intelligence is lower in a physical environment and in some cases that might be true, but in reality it is a way of passing time between jobs, having a laugh with workmates and establishing bonds. I have experienced mild racism and strong racism along work colleagues, sexism aswell.
if people do not like that sort of thing, it might be that they are not suited to that sort of environment, as in my experience of working in those sorts of places none of these things (and some of them are pretty strong) is meant with any malice.
Now, the trouble is this is not really acceptable these days, so working in these sorts of places CAN be a bit walking on eggshells like. Or it becomes stale and boring as an office might more be.
But, my theory is that if you are wise enough to work people out, you can still say some things to some and some things to others and it is perfectly alright. It is making friendships and establishing relationships that benefit you both long term. and that means a lot in a manual work place.
If you just apply a one size fits all approach then perhaps these days you will fall foul of complaints and accusations and rightly so.
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