Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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cuprabob

11,810 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th September
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Apologies if it's already been discussed and I missed but it would seem Alex Albon had slight complications during his operation and ended up in ICU for a short time.
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/30a27ca2-26e6-4b0...

g4ry13

14,582 posts

236 months

Wednesday 14th September
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cuprabob said:
Apologies if it's already been discussed and I missed but it would seem Alex Albon had slight complications during his operation and ended up in ICU for a short time.
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/30a27ca2-26e6-4b0...
He's not racing in Singapore.Surely not...

satfinal

2,164 posts

143 months

Wednesday 14th September
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He's back in Monaco now, recovering.

trackdemon

11,476 posts

242 months

Wednesday 14th September
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g4ry13 said:
cuprabob said:
Apologies if it's already been discussed and I missed but it would seem Alex Albon had slight complications during his operation and ended up in ICU for a short time.
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/30a27ca2-26e6-4b0...
He's not racing in Singapore.Surely not...
2.5 weeks to recover and he's obviously fitter than the average human; I've no idea what the recovery time for stuff like this usually is though. They've certainly found a useful stand in if he doesn't make it....

HustleRussell

22,131 posts

141 months

Wednesday 14th September
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ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.

C70R

12,361 posts

85 months

Wednesday 14th September
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g4ry13 said:
cuprabob said:
Apologies if it's already been discussed and I missed but it would seem Alex Albon had slight complications during his operation and ended up in ICU for a short time.
https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/30a27ca2-26e6-4b0...
He's not racing in Singapore.Surely not...
The complication he suffered is pretty common (it happened to MrsC once), and shouldn't impact his recovery time.

C70R

12,361 posts

85 months

Wednesday 14th September
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HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
I'd have to say that it's tough to recall an outstanding performance from Albon recently. He's battled back from a few poor qualifying performances to bring the Williams up to roughly where it should be (10th-14th), but I don't really feel like he's punching above his weight at the moment. He's also been guilty of a free clumsy moments (like Saudi), which you'd expect from someone relatively green.

In the cold, hard light of day, de Vries has just equalled Albon's best finish of the season on debut. I'm not ready to write Albon off yet, but this does suggest the need to ask some questions.

I think I've made my feelings clear on Latifi. He's probably living his dream, but he's basically an empty seat (chequebook aside).

Edited by C70R on Wednesday 14th September 11:10

Frimley111R

13,278 posts

215 months

Wednesday 14th September
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HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
What things?

To me it just confirms how poor Latifi is.

HustleRussell

22,131 posts

141 months

Wednesday 14th September
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Frimley111R said:
HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
What things?

To me it just confirms how poor Latifi is.
The things;
Monza is almost certainly the one circuit which suits the Williams best of all from a pure pace perspective

de Vries did qualify well, 13th on pace and a tenth faster than Latifi (although he had a lap disallowed which was IIRC a few tenths faster and would've had him knocking on the door of Q3) but he was also promoted by five places due to penalties for others because Monza is a circuit where many teams opted to stock up on components for the final leg of the season.

Monza again, the Williams car and the current formula making de Vries very had to overtake. Straight line speed and DRS trains.

Siao

492 posts

21 months

Wednesday 14th September
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HustleRussell said:
Frimley111R said:
HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
What things?

To me it just confirms how poor Latifi is.
The things;
Monza is almost certainly the one circuit which suits the Williams best of all from a pure pace perspective

de Vries did qualify well, 13th on pace and a tenth faster than Latifi (although he had a lap disallowed which was IIRC a few tenths faster and would've had him knocking on the door of Q3) but he was also promoted by five places due to penalties for others because Monza is a circuit where many teams opted to stock up on components for the final leg of the season.

Monza again, the Williams car and the current formula making de Vries very had to overtake. Straight line speed and DRS trains.
For me it does not matter what Williams did around Monza against any of the other drivers. His yardstick is his team mate and he thoroughly beat him fair and square the whole weekend, with a day's notice and not much prep.

That is on merit and nothing can take it from him. It also shows how bad Latifi performed, but that's not news I guess

alisdairm

61 posts

142 months

Wednesday 14th September
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This reminded me of when Lorenzo joined Rossi at Yamaha in MotoGP.

Rossie didn't like the equal footing Yamaha gave both riders and insisted a wall was installed between the two team mates in the pits, and refused to share data with Lorenzo.

Jasandjules

67,916 posts

210 months

Wednesday 14th September
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HustleRussell said:
He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
There was nothing in his favour that also did not favour his team mate. Except talent.

entropy

4,849 posts

184 months

Wednesday 14th September
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C70R said:
I'd have to say that it's tough to recall an outstanding performance from Albon recently. He's battled back from a few poor qualifying performances to bring the Williams up to roughly where it should be (10th-14th), but I don't really feel like he's punching above his weight at the moment. He's also been guilty of a free clumsy moments (like Saudi), which you'd expect from someone relatively green.

In the cold, hard light of day, de Vries has just equalled Albon's best finish of the season on debut. I'm not ready to write Albon off yet, but this does suggest the need to ask some questions.

I think I've made my feelings clear on Latifi. He's probably living his dream, but he's basically an empty seat (chequebook aside).

Edited by C70R on Wednesday 14th September 11:10
The elephant in the room is we don't know how Albon would have performed during the weekend. Equal? Better? Latifi made it into Q2 so the Williams had good pace.

One thing we would agree on is that an Albon-NDV Williams line-up is far more exciting than the current.

HustleRussell

22,131 posts

141 months

Wednesday 14th September
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Jasandjules said:
HustleRussell said:
He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
There was nothing in his favour that also did not favour his team mate. Except talent.
Don't mistake my post for a defense of Latifi.

andburg

5,723 posts

150 months

Wednesday 14th September
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HustleRussell said:
Jasandjules said:
HustleRussell said:
He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
There was nothing in his favour that also did not favour his team mate. Except talent.
Don't mistake my post for a defense of Latifi.
in defesne of Latifi, his money is as good as anyone elses and its better than Mazepin's!

ajprice

23,632 posts

177 months

Saturday 17th September
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HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!

C70R

12,361 posts

85 months

Saturday 17th September
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ajprice said:
HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!
"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.

jm doc

2,171 posts

213 months

Sunday 18th September
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C70R said:
ajprice said:
HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!
"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.
Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.


C70R

12,361 posts

85 months

Sunday 18th September
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jm doc said:
C70R said:
ajprice said:
HustleRussell said:
ETA: I hope Albon makes a speedy recovery of course and will be happy to see him back...

I would actually like de Vries to get another go because I feel like it'll be a reality check for everyone. He did an astonishing job in his rookie race weekend but I feel that a number of things conspired in his favour. People are depreciating Albon's results vs. Latifi as a result and I don't think I'm ready to do that.
Albon is at home and aiming to be in Singapore https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/157085384888... . I wouldn't call being in intensive care after respiratory failure from an anaesthetic reaction a 'slight issue' though!
"Respiratory failure" is a very broad term, and covers a few different scenarios with varying levels of severity.

Even though it might seem quite scary to read, what Alex suffered is a not-uncommon reaction to general anaesthetic. It's easy to treat/monitor, and shouldn't really affect his recovery from the operation.
Rubbish. He suffered a serious and unusual complication of general anaesthesia in someone of his age. He’s been very lucky.
MrsC suffered exactly the same thing a few years ago. She was out of hospital after being monitored for 24hrs and it didn't impede her recovery.

It's an adverse reaction to general anaesthetic.

Jasandjules

67,916 posts

210 months

Sunday 18th September
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C70R said:
MrsC suffered exactly the same thing a few years ago. She was out of hospital after being monitored for 24hrs and it didn't impede her recovery.

It's an adverse reaction to general anaesthetic.
Except she is not a super fit athlete (I assume) who is driving cars pulling 5gs for over an hour in a race. Just look at DeVries at the end of the race, and he is pretty damn fit. I appreciate he is fit and young so may well recover quicker, BUT the extremes he will be required to experience in racing/quali etc..... I will be astonished if he can cope in such a short time frame. But we will see.