Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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PhilAsia said:
I had a slight suspicion that 2022 would favour the ground effect guru Newey at Red Bull. Not sure where that suspicion came from but it seems to hold true. After the extended period to Spa, allowing teams to "make adjustments" to conform. any hope of any challenge to RB went out of the window.
Any challenge to Max by Perez is moot. He is not at Max's level and RB seems to just expect him to curl up and die, whilst becoming a rolling road block and test mule.
Prior to the just luverleh plank adjustment extension things looked grim. After, the WDC and WCC is just a foregone conclusion.
The aforementioned just confirm how unnecessary the Masi 2021 season was. It was not Max or RBs fault, but they will now have their deserved day and, putting my head on the chopping block, I do not see any change for many seasons to come. I have a feeling that RBR and Max will be the new Lewis/MB, but with Max having no quality teammate competition. I anticipate a clear run on a pretty pink carpet to 8.
Not knocking RB or Max as both are stellar in 2022. But I do recall vividly the lengths of desperation we were witness to in 2021, when the outcome was not courtesy of a following wind, in order to secure their first with Max.
I hope I am wrong.
The implementation of the vertical G directive that was anticipated to nix Mercedes was also delayed till Spa as well wasn't it? To Mercedes benefit, so seems all square of you're hinting at bias. Any challenge to Max by Perez is moot. He is not at Max's level and RB seems to just expect him to curl up and die, whilst becoming a rolling road block and test mule.
Prior to the just luverleh plank adjustment extension things looked grim. After, the WDC and WCC is just a foregone conclusion.
The aforementioned just confirm how unnecessary the Masi 2021 season was. It was not Max or RBs fault, but they will now have their deserved day and, putting my head on the chopping block, I do not see any change for many seasons to come. I have a feeling that RBR and Max will be the new Lewis/MB, but with Max having no quality teammate competition. I anticipate a clear run on a pretty pink carpet to 8.
Not knocking RB or Max as both are stellar in 2022. But I do recall vividly the lengths of desperation we were witness to in 2021, when the outcome was not courtesy of a following wind, in order to secure their first with Max.
I hope I am wrong.
Edited by PhilAsia on Friday 9th September 10:32
Edited by PhilAsia on Friday 9th September 10:34
I'm not sure it ever looked grim regardless of the directive, given it turns out to have had zero effect.
The FIA tech bod last week stated that every single team bar one had to make some adjustments to comply with the floor flex directive.
carl_w said:
This limit on components was meant to increase reliability (and sustainability) and reduce costs. But now it seems that the teams are just taking the penalties. Is the limit even needed now there is the cost cap?
IIRC, the teams buy engine supply, rather than buy each unit individually. The marginal cost of assembling an engine is not going to be massive, in the context of the development costs. What’s needed is for the penalties to be much higher, perhaps even rolling over across multiple events, to stop them being used tactically - something that every team has done at some point in the last few years.
McAndy said:
Has the BBC website pulled it's FP1 text coverage? Their "how to follow" page still lists it as starting at 12:30, and I didn't think Italy were changing the weekend, merely adding moments for silence, no?
I notice HYS seems to have been removed this weekend, which is welcome as reading the tribal drivel (mostly anti-Lewis) spouted by some of the mouth breathers begs belief sometimes. It’s often a very bitter, toxic place.Sandpit Steve said:
What’s needed is for the penalties to be much higher, perhaps even rolling over across multiple events, to stop them being used tactically - something that every team has done at some point in the last few years.
They stopped that because of the Honda engine when it was in the back of the McLaren. Didn't they at one point accumulate enough penalties to put them at the back for 3 races?Big Nanas said:
That addition of gravel around the last corner will make it impossible for drivers to exceed track limits this year. That's definitely welcome!
No spoilers, but it’s just claimed one high-profile casualty in one of the support events. Really no margin for error there now. Sandpit Steve said:
Big Nanas said:
That addition of gravel around the last corner will make it impossible for drivers to exceed track limits this year. That's definitely welcome!
No spoilers, but it’s just claimed one high-profile casualty in one of the support events. Really no margin for error there now. 
Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
Sandpit Steve said:
Big Nanas said:
That addition of gravel around the last corner will make it impossible for drivers to exceed track limits this year. That's definitely welcome!
No spoilers, but it’s just claimed one high-profile casualty in one of the support events. Really no margin for error there now. I'm disappointed to also see a few sausage kerbs still at Monza, I thought these were being gradually phased out?
Big Nanas said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Big Nanas said:
That addition of gravel around the last corner will make it impossible for drivers to exceed track limits this year. That's definitely welcome!
No spoilers, but it’s just claimed one high-profile casualty in one of the support events. Really no margin for error there now. I'm disappointed to also see a few sausage kerbs still at Monza, I thought these were being gradually phased out?
Tyre Smoke said:
Another engine penalty for Max? How so?
He had a new engine at Spa. Ran an old engine at Zandvoort, is his Spa engine fuggered then?
Only just in the door and catching up. Sorry if explained before.
Presumably a tactical one to get an extra ICE in the pool - given a DNF followed by a penalty could represent a chunk of points better to play it safe by taking a penalty at a track where you can be confident of coming back through for decent points and spread the mileage across several engines to keep it low. Max doesn't need to win races at this point or even finish ahead of Leclerc - Charles can win and fastest lap every single race for the rest of the season and all Max needs to do is finish 4th in them all and he still wins the WDC. Taking a 5-place drop at Monza is nothing in those terms, especially with all the penalties other drivers are taking here.He had a new engine at Spa. Ran an old engine at Zandvoort, is his Spa engine fuggered then?
Only just in the door and catching up. Sorry if explained before.
TheDeuce said:
I've obviously missed something, stuck on a beach in Greece for the week
Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
This should work, but will soon expire: Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
https://www.fiaformula3.com/livetiming/index.html
Sandpit Steve said:
TheDeuce said:
I've obviously missed something, stuck on a beach in Greece for the week
Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
This should work, but will soon expire: Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
https://www.fiaformula3.com/livetiming/index.html
Just watched FP1 Highlights on the F1 Youtube channel.
I think WIll Buxton had the 'Italian Grand Prix Playbook' in front of him when doing his voiceover.
Announce GP name in a dodgy Italian accent - Check
Ferrari are now a 'Scuderia' rather than team - Check
Fans and now the 'Tifosi' - Check
And lets not forget the worlds most famous 'Monegasque racing driver', Charles Leclerc - Check
I think WIll Buxton had the 'Italian Grand Prix Playbook' in front of him when doing his voiceover.
Announce GP name in a dodgy Italian accent - Check
Ferrari are now a 'Scuderia' rather than team - Check
Fans and now the 'Tifosi' - Check
And lets not forget the worlds most famous 'Monegasque racing driver', Charles Leclerc - Check
cgt2 said:
If every one of his main rivals starts at the back and Charles is on pole I still don't have high confidence in him winning
It's not Charles I lack confidence in, it's his team.Although I'd say that sainz, when allowed, has driven on par with Charles this season. It's difficult to tell of course because we'll never know how even the drivers treatment is.
But they appear to be evenly let down by their team, so perhaps it is all fair and equal at Ferrari these days?
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