Latifi is toast

Latifi is toast

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kambites

67,609 posts

222 months

Saturday 24th September 2022
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PhilAsia said:
Piginapoke said:
None of what happened in AD can be laid at the door of Latifi, and the abuse he took after the race was disgusting.

I'll always be grateful that his cash kept Williams afloat prior to Dorilton's purchase, and I've not once heard him moan (compare to Stroll, Mazepin). Good job Latifi..
I barely if ever contemplate Latifi's role, and didn't at the time. All came down Masi and his shocker manipulation of the rules, that undermined a whole season for everyone.
yes That anyone could in any way hold Latifi responsible for that particular farce is just weird. However I suspect that, like Timo Glock, the only thing he'll really be remembered for is inadvertently being the catalyst for a championship going the way it did.

MustangGT

11,651 posts

281 months

Sunday 25th September 2022
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kambites said:
PhilAsia said:
Piginapoke said:
None of what happened in AD can be laid at the door of Latifi, and the abuse he took after the race was disgusting.

I'll always be grateful that his cash kept Williams afloat prior to Dorilton's purchase, and I've not once heard him moan (compare to Stroll, Mazepin). Good job Latifi..
I barely if ever contemplate Latifi's role, and didn't at the time. All came down Masi and his shocker manipulation of the rules, that undermined a whole season for everyone.
yes That anyone could in any way hold Latifi responsible for that particular farce is just weird. However I suspect that, like Timo Glock, the only thing he'll really be remembered for is inadvertently being the catalyst for a championship going the way it did.
Fully agree.

Piginapoke

4,771 posts

186 months

Sunday 25th September 2022
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kambites said:
PhilAsia said:
Piginapoke said:
None of what happened in AD can be laid at the door of Latifi, and the abuse he took after the race was disgusting.

I'll always be grateful that his cash kept Williams afloat prior to Dorilton's purchase, and I've not once heard him moan (compare to Stroll, Mazepin). Good job Latifi..
I barely if ever contemplate Latifi's role, and didn't at the time. All came down Masi and his shocker manipulation of the rules, that undermined a whole season for everyone.
yes That anyone could in any way hold Latifi responsible for that particular farce is just weird. However I suspect that, like Timo Glock, the only thing he'll really be remembered for is inadvertently being the catalyst for a championship going the way it did.
And Nutella.

RB Will

9,666 posts

241 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Bants


Krikkit

26,554 posts

182 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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A Winner Is You said:
Plus no matter how much money you have, a serious level of skill is needed to even be in contention for an F1 seat. Perhaps said money is also the only reason we still have a Williams F1 team as well.
Getting a super licence is no mean feat, he's a handy driver indeed.

Jasandjules

Original Poster:

69,957 posts

230 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Krikkit said:
Getting a super licence is no mean feat, he's a handy driver indeed.
Hmm, Mazepin.....

kambites

67,609 posts

222 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Jasandjules said:
Krikkit said:
Getting a super licence is no mean feat, he's a handy driver indeed.
Hmm, Mazepin.....
Mazepin was still an enormously fast racing car driver; just not really "F1 fast". I think people grossly underestimate just how good even the worst modern F1 drivers are.

Muzzer79

10,082 posts

188 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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kambites said:
Jasandjules said:
Krikkit said:
Getting a super licence is no mean feat, he's a handy driver indeed.
Hmm, Mazepin.....
Mazepin was still an enormously fast racing car driver; just not really "F1 fast". I think people grossly underestimate just how good even the worst modern F1 drivers are.
Indeed. I think F1 is a little like the Olympics sometimes.

You see the guy finishing last in the 1500m heat and think he can't run that fast. However, if you put the same guy in a national race he'd wipe the floor with everyone.

F1 is the top 20 drivers in the world. Mazepin didn't shine there, but that just means he's top 50 in the world, not top 20.

Gary29

4,165 posts

100 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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DV in to Williams, then on to Mercedes partnering GR once LH hangs up his (Dior) boots.

Jasandjules

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69,957 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Gary29 said:
DV in to Williams, then on to Mercedes partnering GR once LH hangs up his (Dior) boots.
That is what I think. Two years in the Williams for Lewis to get his 9th (8th to the FIA) WDC.

Leithen

10,948 posts

268 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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People seem to forget that Latifi was runner up to De Vries in the 2019 F2 Championship. Both won four races. De Vries managed a further eight podium places, Latifi four.

De Vries may prove to have a higher ceiling than Latifi, but I'd reserve judgement for at least a full season in F1.

Muzzer79

10,082 posts

188 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Leithen said:
People seem to forget that Latifi was runner up to De Vries in the 2019 F2 Championship. Both won four races. De Vries managed a further eight podium places, Latifi four.

De Vries may prove to have a higher ceiling than Latifi, but I'd reserve judgement for at least a full season in F1.
It's a fair point.

De Vries is 27 years old. One has to question why he hasn't made it to F1 yet.

He seems to have attracted a lot of attention from Monza and he did drive well, but it was only one race.

Koln-RS

3,870 posts

213 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
F1 is the top 20 drivers in the world.
I wouldn’t agree with this.

The F1 grid probably comprises of the best drivers who have had the financial backing and political suitability to be there.
Most have had a carefully coordinated program in single-seaters from an early age to get them into F1.
Put them in a rally car, endurance racer or even a touring car and many would struggle against the very best in those categories.

Siao

878 posts

41 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Koln-RS said:
Muzzer79 said:
F1 is the top 20 drivers in the world.
I wouldn’t agree with this.

The F1 grid probably comprises of the best drivers who have had the financial backing and political suitability to be there.
Most have had a carefully coordinated program in single-seaters from an early age to get them into F1.
Put them in a rally car, endurance racer or even a touring car and many would struggle against the very best in those categories.
Works both ways, other drivers trying F1 cars didn't do very well either. It only means that they are the best in their respective categories.

Also, regarding the first bit, it is true, but we can't account for that. It also holds true that the creme de la creme will make it to the top, so these top drivers are most likely amongst the 20 very best in F1.

Bo_apex

2,577 posts

219 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Jasandjules said:
Gary29 said:
DV in to Williams, then on to Mercedes partnering GR once LH hangs up his (Dior) boots.
That is what I think. Two years in the Williams for Lewis to get his 9th (8th to the FIA) WDC.
Entirely possible if Mercedes can become dominant again but Lewis will also need to stop his mistakes

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-himse...

and stop crashing into Alonso.

I think George v Lewis would be tight for the WDC.


Muzzer79

10,082 posts

188 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Bo_apex said:
Entirely possible if Mercedes can become dominant again but Lewis will also need to stop his mistakes

and stop crashing into Alonso.
You make it sounds like Hamilton punts him off every race? confused

They had one clash, in Belgium. When else has he "crashed into Alonso"?

As for mistakes, they all make mistakes. They wouldn't be trying hard enough if they didn't.

Zetec-S

5,911 posts

94 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Not a big surprise, he's had his chance but has been outshone by his teammates over the past 3 years. Time for someone else to get an opportunity.

From what little I've seen of him, he seems like a nice guy, and I wish him the best for the future.

Bo_apex

2,577 posts

219 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
Entirely possible if Mercedes can become dominant again but Lewis will also need to stop his mistakes

and stop crashing into Alonso.
You make it sounds like Hamilton punts him off every race? confused

They had one clash, in Belgium. When else has he "crashed into Alonso"?

As for mistakes, they all make mistakes. They wouldn't be trying hard enough if they didn't.
Both Max and Lewis had various brain farts last season

www.grandprix247.com/2021/10/30/data-crunch-hamilt...

Lewis is having more this season

PhilAsia

3,854 posts

76 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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Bo_apex said:
Muzzer79 said:
Bo_apex said:
Entirely possible if Mercedes can become dominant again but Lewis will also need to stop his mistakes

and stop crashing into Alonso.
You make it sounds like Hamilton punts him off every race? confused

They had one clash, in Belgium. When else has he "crashed into Alonso"?

As for mistakes, they all make mistakes. They wouldn't be trying hard enough if they didn't.
Max had numerous brain farts last season

www.grandprix247.com/2021/10/30/data-crunch-hamilt...

Lewis is having more this season
FTFY biggrin

andygo

6,813 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th September 2022
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Bo_apex said:
Both Max and Lewis had various brain farts last season

www.grandprix247.com/2021/10/30/data-crunch-hamilt...

Lewis is having more this season
When you are driving over the limit, past the edge, then they are going to have the occasional smelly moment.

Only takes a gust of wind, impossible to even see or anticipate and you're 6ins off line with unintended results very shortly after that.