2021 Cost Cap Breaches
Discussion
sociopath said:
I reckon this thread has got most of those.
It is really odd isn't it? Usually in sports when the rules aren't applied correctly and your "team" loses, people say "ah well such is life" and move on. And when your team loses because another team cheats, normally people just say "well they cheated and won, what can you do..."See for example the Olympics, cycling etc...
Oh, no, wait a minute...
Jasandjules said:
sociopath said:
I reckon this thread has got most of those.
It is really odd isn't it? Usually in sports when the rules aren't applied correctly and your "team" loses, people say "ah well such is life" and move on. And when your team loses because another team cheats, normally people just say "well they cheated and won, what can you do..."See for example the Olympics, cycling etc...
Oh, no, wait a minute...
most sociopaths have no effective moral compass, so they invariably will post without empathy ...Jasandjules said:
sociopath said:
I reckon this thread has got most of those.
It is really odd isn't it? Usually in sports when the rules aren't applied correctly and your "team" loses, people say "ah well such is life" and move on. And when your team loses because another team cheats, normally people just say "well they cheated and won, what can you do..."See for example the Olympics, cycling etc...
Oh, no, wait a minute...
Cycling… Lance Armstrong, no such much “ah well such is life” and move on. It took a while but they nailed his arse.
Football… Maradona, still talked about. Players diving, feigning injury, falling over at the slightest touch.. moaned about and hated by fans all the time.
F1 is different as to a lot of the fans, probably old school fans, it’s all encompassing. The racing is just one facet. The strategy, the team mate rivalry, the in season development… all part of the spectacle. On top of all that, The Rules. Maybe they’re just not important to newer fans, maybe it’s just racing. Maybe, as long as their man (whoever it is) wins so what if the rules are not strictly applied…. At All Times.
hot metal said:
MustangGT said:
Harry H said:
MustangGT said:
Okay, I think we can agree to call them prolific winners this year by cheating. 
made that more accurate for youMustangGT said:
hot metal said:
MustangGT said:
Harry H said:
MustangGT said:
Okay, I think we can agree to call them prolific winners this year by cheating.
made that more accurate for you
knugget Spice's comments around AD last year, when he said race fans have short memories. bern said:
MustangGT said:
hot metal said:
MustangGT said:
Harry H said:
MustangGT said:
Okay, I think we can agree to call them prolific winners this year by cheating.
made that more accurate for youknugget Spice's comments around AD last year, when he said race fans have short memories. MustangGT said:
bern said:
MustangGT said:
hot metal said:
MustangGT said:
Harry H said:
MustangGT said:
Okay, I think we can agree to call them prolific winners this year by cheating.
made that more accurate for youknugget Spice's comments around AD last year, when he said race fans have short memories. te it's hard to keep up!
Evercross said:
So the same as RB breaking the cost cap then. Apart from the punishment for her is bigger than them, if this is related. Teddy Lop said:
Hol said:
I am surprised that the parent company hasn’t yet stepped in and told the team to stop digging draper holes, given the repetitional damage to the brand globally.
What exactly is red bulls reputation? Serious question, I mean a lot of the grid and assoc sponsors get by trying to flog every more unecessary and ugly rubbish to people who try to believe they're socially conscious, so image is everything, but red bull??Typically, at the corporate management level, any large institution, like a Bank, Fuel Company, or in this case a Beverage company will directly look to minimise the reputational risk of association with their brand name to the negative event.
Hence, as someone who works in that arena, I was surprised they hadnt attempted to close down the issue.
Edited by Hol on Thursday 24th November 07:13
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent. What are you saying?
Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.
If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?
Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent. What are you saying?
Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.
If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?
Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent. What are you saying?
Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.
If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?
Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
let's not even mention Mercedes having the info to be able to have extra floor supports ready to go the day they were announced as a rule change.
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent. What are you saying?
Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.
If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?
Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
How unsurprising.
Horner and RBR used to complain constantly that the other teams were critical of their dominance when they were winning in the Vettel years.
Then Horner had the unnatural hots for Mercedes when they were the ones who had the advantage.
Now we are back to the former.
deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
Evercross said:
There certainly was the cheating by Red Bull to see here. It became very apparent. What are you saying?
Let's say she did release the details, would you have rather they had been covered up? If you are, that speaks more about your mindset than hers.
If she was responsible, why did she release the details if the FIA were going to be transparent anyway? What prompted her to release details that were going to be released anyway?
Maybe I am wrong, but if there is cheating I want to know about it...I do not like cheating by anyone.
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