Majority of F1 journalists seem to duck controversy?
Discussion
pablo said:
Ted Bull and their staff, wives, hangers-on need to be really careful how often and when they keep playing this mental health card. Nothing personal against Amanda Newey (Adrian is just a gun for hire really) but they really are a toxic bunch
The Mental health card really gets on my nerves, I slight wobble in life and people start playing the mental health card. Its as bad as Tyson Fury constantly giving out abuse and mocking people and then says he supports mental health. Mental health connected to people who suffered in the army, or a long life of issues or suffered from prolonged issues out of their control. Now it seems if you have a break up with your girlfriend all of a sudden for those 2 weeks you can play the mental health card.
You’re trivialising mental health, it’s not for you to determine what severity of an incident or event justifies someone saying it’s affected their mental health, the point is everyone can and should be treated equally. Someone may get over a relationship breakdown easily, others may not.
Amanda Newey has every right to claim these incidents have affected the mental health of people within the team but the issue is no one at Red Bull seemed to care about Lewis, Toto et al when Christian et al were lugging champers on the podium in Abu Dhabi.
Amanda Newey has every right to claim these incidents have affected the mental health of people within the team but the issue is no one at Red Bull seemed to care about Lewis, Toto et al when Christian et al were lugging champers on the podium in Abu Dhabi.
Maybe don’t start bashing at mental health and deciding what is reasonable to constitute mental health issues from one person to another.
On topic:
The issue is that CH has blamed MH issues for his staff and their children to deflect from the issues their own team has caused.
Props to the reporter for finally sticking the dagger in - there’s too many reporters and pundits towing the line and not enough calling out the BS.
I think most of the F1 paddock (minus the RBR fans) are sick - and have been sick of Horner for some time. He’s a hypocrite and a hateful human being, I hope the outcome of all of this is his resignation and disappearance from Formula 1
On topic:
The issue is that CH has blamed MH issues for his staff and their children to deflect from the issues their own team has caused.
Props to the reporter for finally sticking the dagger in - there’s too many reporters and pundits towing the line and not enough calling out the BS.
I think most of the F1 paddock (minus the RBR fans) are sick - and have been sick of Horner for some time. He’s a hypocrite and a hateful human being, I hope the outcome of all of this is his resignation and disappearance from Formula 1
Sky Tv should use the opportunity to never have Horner back in front of their cameras again. He’s sunk to the lowest of the low and everyone outside of Red Bull knows that. Just that the majority of F1 commentators don’t have the balls to call him out so he just milks it and things get worse
pablo said:
Ted Bull and their staff, wives, hangers-on need to be really careful how often and when they keep playing this mental health card. Nothing personal against Amanda Newey (Adrian is just a gun for hire really) but they really are a toxic bunch
Just despicable. Horner sits there and lies and lies and lies and when he's called out, it's how dare you and you're damaging my team's mental health. What does Mrs Newey think of the damage to Ted Kravitz's mental health and his family is, to try and get him sacked for actually just speaking the TRUTH?As others have said, as you get older you realise it's how you conduct yourself that defines you. People like Massa in Brazil 2008 and Hamilton in AD in 2021 showed their class. Horner in 2022 shows himself to be the classic bully, shameless, and with a massive inferiority complex. Syed hit the nail on the head at the end of his piece. Loser.
ChocolateFrog said:
My God its so refreshing to see someone in the media actually say what we're all thinking.
I agree with you, and I agree with every word Syed wrote. But he's not a F1 journalist, is he? Would he write something like that, if he was a regular fixture in the paddock?The Syed piece was excellent , and it is good to see a serious journalist like him cover our sport, and not just the inevitable ball games. But a journalist covering F1 is now in an invidious position - they simply cannot rock the boat to much without risking jeopardising their accreditation , and thus their career . That is the price paid for supping with devil - Ecclestone and his similarly mercenary and amoral successors.
It wasn't always so - back in the mists of time when I were a lad , journalists were far more fearless in their copy as they had very little to lose . People such as the very outspoken Denis Jenkinson , Innes Ireland (an ex F1 racer himself ) , Simon Taylor and Pete Lyons were more than happy to stick the boot in where it was right to do so. But most of the current crop are very different - but it's a tough gig reporting on a race everybody has seen, and as often as not reports are just froth and gossip , with a depressing tendency to enthuse wildly about joke venues like Miami .
There is one exception - Joe Dunn , Motorsport's editor has had the balls to castigate F1's awful appetite for doing dodgy deals with dodgy regimes who bang people up and then torture them for something they said on Twitter . I have written about the same topic - and I remain appalled by F1's sportwashing of horror shows like bloody Qatar .
It wasn't always so - back in the mists of time when I were a lad , journalists were far more fearless in their copy as they had very little to lose . People such as the very outspoken Denis Jenkinson , Innes Ireland (an ex F1 racer himself ) , Simon Taylor and Pete Lyons were more than happy to stick the boot in where it was right to do so. But most of the current crop are very different - but it's a tough gig reporting on a race everybody has seen, and as often as not reports are just froth and gossip , with a depressing tendency to enthuse wildly about joke venues like Miami .
There is one exception - Joe Dunn , Motorsport's editor has had the balls to castigate F1's awful appetite for doing dodgy deals with dodgy regimes who bang people up and then torture them for something they said on Twitter . I have written about the same topic - and I remain appalled by F1's sportwashing of horror shows like bloody Qatar .
The chaps at The_Race podcast tied themselves up in knots over Abu Dhabi.
The attend every race and need access.
SKY, on the other hand, has an enormormous reach in the English speaking F1 world. There's plenty of ways to report on Red Bull without Horner's input. Plus, RB won't be able to put their spin on any of SKY's output. There's another nine teams to talk with too. I bet Toto's salivating at the prospect of sticking the knife in without a RB riposte.
Red Bull's reputation is being trashed by their attitude during the past few seasons. A few thousand Dutch fanatics won't redeem it any time soon.
A silly, petulant and ultimately pointless move by them.
The attend every race and need access.
SKY, on the other hand, has an enormormous reach in the English speaking F1 world. There's plenty of ways to report on Red Bull without Horner's input. Plus, RB won't be able to put their spin on any of SKY's output. There's another nine teams to talk with too. I bet Toto's salivating at the prospect of sticking the knife in without a RB riposte.
Red Bull's reputation is being trashed by their attitude during the past few seasons. A few thousand Dutch fanatics won't redeem it any time soon.
A silly, petulant and ultimately pointless move by them.
coppice said:
There is one exception - Joe Dunn , Motorsport's editor has had the balls to castigate F1's awful appetite for doing dodgy deals with dodgy regimes who bang people up and then torture them for something they said on Twitter . I have written about the same topic - and I remain appalled by F1's sportwashing of horror shows like bloody Qatar .
F1 in China is also a focus. Overt racism and shocking human rights. Incredible that F1 even considers such a venue !
And remember the Russian GP 2014, months after the annexation of Crimea. There was that disgraceful joke of a man , Ecclestone, cosying up to his new friend Putin , and enthusing how Putin 'gets things done '. Cue deafening silence from F1 press .
Ask most F1 drivers what a Uighur was and they'd probably nominate a suspension component, so blinkered are they . And need to be, now so many teams are part owned by kleptocrats and the ...err ..sovereign wealth funds of regimes like the journalist murdering Saudis. Allegedly.
Ask most F1 drivers what a Uighur was and they'd probably nominate a suspension component, so blinkered are they . And need to be, now so many teams are part owned by kleptocrats and the ...err ..sovereign wealth funds of regimes like the journalist murdering Saudis. Allegedly.
Blib said:
The chaps at The_Race podcast tied themselves up in knots over Abu Dhabi.
The attend every race and need access.
SKY, on the other hand, has an enormormous reach in the English speaking F1 world. There's plenty of ways to report on Red Bull without Horner's input. Plus, RB won't be able to put their spin on any of SKY's output. There's another nine teams to talk with too. I bet Toto's salivating at the prospect of sticking the knife in without a RB riposte.
Red Bull's reputation is being trashed by their attitude during the past few seasons. A few thousand Dutch fanatics won't redeem it any time soon.
A silly, petulant and ultimately pointless move by them.
There's parallels between RB and Russia, Horner and Putin The attend every race and need access.
SKY, on the other hand, has an enormormous reach in the English speaking F1 world. There's plenty of ways to report on Red Bull without Horner's input. Plus, RB won't be able to put their spin on any of SKY's output. There's another nine teams to talk with too. I bet Toto's salivating at the prospect of sticking the knife in without a RB riposte.
Red Bull's reputation is being trashed by their attitude during the past few seasons. A few thousand Dutch fanatics won't redeem it any time soon.
A silly, petulant and ultimately pointless move by them.
By refusing to engage they're ceding ground in the information war, a few woe is us press conferences isn't going to change that.
I can't think of a team principal Sky has been more accommodating too or given more air time to than CH and he wants to throw that away, seems pretty idiotic to me.
But then he's so weasely I'm positive he'll be back on our screens by the next race.
pablo said:
Amanda Newey has every right to claim these incidents have affected the mental health of people within the team
i call BS that it's the wider team (i know wider team members with kids of school age- my kid is even at school with one of them! & my kid is the only one who knows their parent works at RBR) ...it'll be someone much closer to homethat Amanda Newey doesn't have kids of school age probably narrows it down a bit (not that that diminishes that particular individuals case)
aberdeeneuan said:
This link will def avoid the paywall: https://archive.ph/jNXTl
I had to read this several times to be sure there wasn't an "a" missing:Matthew Syed said:
...Horner’s self-serving cant?
All jokes aside, I agree with the article and it's refreshing to read something that lays out the facts and then draws conclusions that make actual sense, not recycle some PR nonsense. What I find laughable is that PR folks think the general public can't sense their influence. I enjoy listening or watching the journos who try and cut through it. And, rather like Jack Miller, the riders and drivers who don't want to be muzzled.pablo said:
Ted Bull and their staff, wives, hangers-on need to be really careful how often and when they keep playing this mental health card. Nothing personal against Amanda Newey (Adrian is just a gun for hire really) but they really are a toxic bunch
That tweet backfired, just like RBR’s media blackout of Sky, she has now put her profile private so it can’t be seen anymore.Apparently we are not allowed to comment on the RBR’s mental health, yet that is literally exactly what CH did!
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