Official 2022 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[paulguitar]

C70R said:

paulguitar said:

C70R said:

paulguitar said:

kambites said:

audi321 said:

You sure on that?? They were terrible losers have you seen that Netflix program. Horner comes across extremely poorly as a loser!

Horner comes across extremely poorly as an everything! It's difficult to deny his effectiveness though, given where Redbull started out and where they got to.

I'm curious about Horner's long-term inability to give any credit whatsoever to Lewis Hamilton. It's bizarre, like someone in tennis refusing to acknowledge Roger Federer.

I'm no great fan of any team in particular, but that feels like a very biased comment.

One example of many. https://racingnews365.com/horner-congratulates-ham...

I'm sure from time to time he's made positive remarks, and you've found one there. That does not reflect his overall attitude at all.

So that's not quite the same as an "inability to give credit", right?

Fine. Obvious and notable reluctance, then.

[C70R]

MarkwG said:

That's a quote from Verstappen, in numerous articles - he's hardly like to make up one about Toto Wolff being positive to him, is he? And cut the hyperbole, I didn't quote it as gospel either, but plenty of reliable sources published it.

Your commonly quoted idiom is almost always used in the context of astonishment, not one of congratulations - as in "I have to say, I thought C70R would understand idioms, but it seems I was incorrect". You realise it's actually you that's looking silly, right...?

Roger that.

I'll leave you to make up controversy all by yourself.

[Niponeoff]

Seems to be an increased amount of opinion, spouted as fact in here

[NRS]

Interestingly Horner seems to suggest Max might be involved in "incidents" with Hamilton due to their history:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/96065/max-versta...

[MustangGT]

NRS said:

Interestingly Horner seems to suggest Max might be involved in "incidents" with Hamilton due to their history:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/96065/max-versta...

Hmm, simply because Lewis will not accept Max's bullying driving. Says it all about RB, CH and MV doesn't it?

[GiantCardboardPlato]

NRS said:

Interestingly Horner seems to suggest Max might be involved in "incidents" with Hamilton due to their history:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/96065/max-versta...

The history of max crashing into Hamilton?

[Jasandjules]

NRS said:

Interestingly Horner seems to suggest Max might be involved in "incidents" with Hamilton due to their history:

As in Lewis has a history of driving fairly which Max doesn't like? And Lewis has a history of simply not pulling out of the way to avoid a crash (actually he did a bit last season but still)...

The only thing Horner says that is interesting is..... No, can't think of anything right now.

[PhilAsia]

MustangGT said:

NRS said:

Interestingly Horner seems to suggest Max might be involved in "incidents" with Hamilton due to their history:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/96065/max-versta...

Hmm, simply because Lewis will not accept Max's bullying driving. Says it all about RB, CH and MV doesn't it?

Reinforces...

[MarkwG]

Naturally, you can prove or disprove anything with stats: but curiously, Hamilton & Verstappen seem to have a similar number of overall DNFs due to collisions/pile ups. That discounts the fact that Hamilton has almost double the number of starts, though...

https://www.statsf1.com/en/lewis-hamilton/abandon.... vs https://www.statsf1.com/en/max-verstappen/abandon....

It doesn't answer the "who hits who" question.

[jm doc]

NRS said:

Interestingly Horner seems to suggest Max might be involved in "incidents" with Hamilton due to their history:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/96065/max-versta...

"Max bears grudges" Surprise revelations by Team Principal Christian Horner about their number one driver Max Crashwaitingtappen.

[Muzzer79]

Seems that Red Bull have now released a statement admitting that “mistakes were made” regarding Team orders in Brazil.

But, bizarrely to me, they claim that Max was only given the order to switch back with Perez on the final corner.
I was under the impression he was told at least 3 times…..

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bul...

[Jasandjules]

jm doc said:

"Max bears grudges" Team Principal Christian Horner about their number one driver Max Crashwaitingtappen says the obvious.

EFA

BTW, given what they themselves say, can you imagine what would be happening if Masi had robbed Max and not Lewis last year?!? Do you think it would be in court right now? Do you think RB would EVER stop mentioning it? I mean, not that we did not already know it, but nice to see them confirming it...

The only question is WHAT they actually think Max has to be upset about?

[andburg]

Muzzer79 said:

Seems that Red Bull have now released a statement admitting that “mistakes were made” regarding Team orders in Brazil.

But, bizarrely to me, they claim that Max was only given the order to switch back with Perez on the final corner.
I was under the impression he was told at least 3 times…..

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bul...

As I predicted....RBR put out a statement essentially backing max and glossing over his refusal.

[NRS]

andburg said:

Muzzer79 said:

Seems that Red Bull have now released a statement admitting that “mistakes were made” regarding Team orders in Brazil.

But, bizarrely to me, they claim that Max was only given the order to switch back with Perez on the final corner.
I was under the impression he was told at least 3 times…..

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bul...

As I predicted....RBR put out a statement essentially backing max and glossing over his refusal.

Lol!

"We had not envisaged the situation that unfolded on the last lap and we had not agreed a strategy for such a scenario before the race,” they said.

Max literally said it was talked about before the race and he had already told them no! Do they think we are idiots?

And of course, the fans are bad, with presumably no encouragement from RB...

Edited by NRS on Thursday 17th November 13:05

[Jasandjules]

NRS said:

! Do they think we are idiots?

Did you not see what happened after Abu last year? Many people ARE idiots and accepted Max as WDC.

[theguvernor15]

I would always tend to support the British driver, whether that be GR/LN or LH.

I can appreciate the talent MV has & i really enjoyed last season as the the competitiveness between MV & LH was great & it was fun to see real competition rather than one team driving off into the sunset.

Can LH be a bit annoying with all of his being offended by anything, or being offended for the sake of it? Yes, of course he can, but i genuinely think he seems like a decent bloke.

MV just comes across as a rather unlikable character & i don't actually really believe it's his fault.

I get the impression he's grown up with people telling him how amazing he is & giving him whatever he wants, it's almost like he doesn't actually know what's acceptable from what's not.

That being said, he's a talented guy.

[GCH]

The statement is full of the predictable lies and bs, but one nugget in particular stands out…
I haven’t seen any abusive behaviour towards Checo online… quite the opposite. A glance at the majority of comments on max**/rb/horner’s Instagram posts show quite the opposite - a hell of a lot of support for Checo and angry at max** for being his usual sociopathic-narcissist self.
For a team and lead driver that has sowed the seeds of this toxic culture and actively encouraged it through words and actions, it’s somewhat ironic and amusing to see some of their own toxic fans turning on them wi th the venom and hatred they usually show others

[MadCaptainJack]

Jasandjules said:

Did you not see what happened after Abu last year? Many people ARE idiots and accepted Max as WDC.

But Max is the world champion.

[MadCaptainJack]

GCH said:

I haven’t seen any abusive behaviour towards Checo online…

Well, Max's mum apparently had a pop at Checo.

[Drew106]

Muzzer79 said:

Seems that Red Bull have now released a statement admitting that “mistakes were made” regarding Team orders in Brazil.

But, bizarrely to me, they claim that Max was only given the order to switch back with Perez on the final corner.
I was under the impression he was told at least 3 times…..

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bul...

Mistakes were made - we shouldn't have asked Max to move over. :facepalm: