Official 2022 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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Thanks Piginapoke for sterling work this season 
Looking forward to this race to see if Mercedes can continue their recent resurgence but also see what happens between Perez and Leclerc and what, if any, fall-out there is in the Red Bull camp from the last one.
Ideally Russell, Perez, Bottas for the top 3 in support of my Fantasy F1 team ... I wouldn't pace actual money on this ...
Looking forward to this race to see if Mercedes can continue their recent resurgence but also see what happens between Perez and Leclerc and what, if any, fall-out there is in the Red Bull camp from the last one.
Ideally Russell, Perez, Bottas for the top 3 in support of my Fantasy F1 team ... I wouldn't pace actual money on this ...
MadCaptainJack said:
MustangGT said:
The cost cap is the cost cap.
If anybody thinks RB have spent less this year than last and still have spare money I think they should have a serious think. It is likely RB have done their accounting in a similar way to last year.....
It's entirely possible that RBR could have spent more this year but come in under the cost cap. Now they know where the goalposts are (and will be alert for any unexpected movement), and what the FIA's approach is to enforcement, it's unlikely they'd make the same cost allocation errors that pushed them over the cap last year. They can properly account for any tax credit, and make sure that the catering costs are properly apportioned; they know how to account for unused and redundant parts, and it wouldn't surprise me if they make some changes to employees' contracts to avoid a repeat of the Dan Fallows situation, and ensure that they can formally/contractually reassign people to non-F1 activities when appropriate.If anybody thinks RB have spent less this year than last and still have spare money I think they should have a serious think. It is likely RB have done their accounting in a similar way to last year.....
They have a more clear idea than last year what is required. To meet this year's cost cap they will have had to reduce spending on items that are part of the cost cap significantly. That will have required reductions from day 1, not half or three-quarters of the way through the year.
MustangGT said:
Since they overspent the cost cap last year, how could they spend more and still come in under the (reduced for this year) cost cap? All expenditure defined as falling under the cost cap must be accounted for under the cost cap. Any other expenses are irrelevant to the cost cap which is all to do with the development and build of the car.
They have a more clear idea than last year what is required. To meet this year's cost cap they will have had to reduce spending on items that are part of the cost cap significantly. That will have required reductions from day 1, not half or three-quarters of the way through the year.
Yes, this one came up in the cost cap thread. If they got 3/4 of the way through this season, using the incorrect assumptions from last season, then they could be screwed to the point of having to furlough most design and build teams for a couple of weeks between now and Christmas.They have a more clear idea than last year what is required. To meet this year's cost cap they will have had to reduce spending on items that are part of the cost cap significantly. That will have required reductions from day 1, not half or three-quarters of the way through the year.
MustangGT said:
Since they overspent the cost cap last year, how could they spend more and still come in under the (reduced for this year) cost cap? All expenditure defined as falling under the cost cap must be accounted for under the cost cap. Any other expenses are irrelevant to the cost cap which is all to do with the development and build of the car.
They have a more clear idea than last year what is required. To meet this year's cost cap they will have had to reduce spending on items that are part of the cost cap significantly. That will have required reductions from day 1, not half or three-quarters of the way through the year.
Well, at the risk of repeating myself...They have a more clear idea than last year what is required. To meet this year's cost cap they will have had to reduce spending on items that are part of the cost cap significantly. That will have required reductions from day 1, not half or three-quarters of the way through the year.
MadCaptainJack said:
They can properly account for any tax credit, and make sure that the catering costs are properly apportioned; they know how to account for unused and redundant parts, and it wouldn't surprise me if they make some changes to employees' contracts to avoid a repeat of the Dan Fallows situation, and ensure that they can formally/contractually reassign people to non-F1 activities when appropriate.
Well, the tax credit that they failed to include accounted for most of the overspend in 2021 so if they get a similar tax credit this year (not an unreasonable assumption), they're most of the way there. Unused and redundant parts accounted for another big chunk. Apparently, the FIA changed the way those are treated after RBR made their financial submission. According to Horner, “Had we been allowed to resubmit, it would have had a benefit to us in the region of £1.2m of unused parts and the way that those unused parts are accounted and treated, and that we believe have been adopted by other teams within their submissions”. You can be sure that the submission for 2022 will take full advantage of the changed rules.
No idea how much the catering costs attributable to non-F1 staff might be but every little helps.
Dan Fallows' gardening leave is done. He's been at Aston Martin since April. Unless you reckon that his salary from Aston Martin should be included in Red Bull's cost cap?
MustangGT said:
As a Brit it would be good to see a podium of Lewis, George and Lando, but I also would not put money on it.
Would be good, but the McLaren just isn't quick enough.Of course, if Checo takes Max out in a fit of pique and Ferrari choose the full wet tyre for the first race stint, then maybe....
Jasandjules said:
Harry H said:
Gotta be Hamilton. If anyone can leave it till the last minute for a win it's him.
I just hope you are right. But I fear the Red Bulls have such a straight line speed that they will disappear up the road.. I mean they might crash into each other and let the Mercs in with a shout....suffolk009 said:
simon_harris said:
As much as I would like Hamilton to get a win this year that would feel really manufactured to me.
If Masi was still around, there'd be a better than 50/50 chance Lewis would be crowned 2022 WDC on Sunday. I obviously don't know how - but Masi could make something up on the spot.Edited by suffolk009 on Wednesday 16th November 16:45
MadCaptainJack said:
Well, the tax credit that they failed to include accounted for most of the overspend in 2021 so if they get a similar tax credit this year (not an unreasonable assumption), they're most of the way there.
Unused and redundant parts accounted for another big chunk. Apparently, the FIA changed the way those are treated after RBR made their financial submission. According to Horner, “Had we been allowed to resubmit, it would have had a benefit to us in the region of £1.2m of unused parts and the way that those unused parts are accounted and treated, and that we believe have been adopted by other teams within their submissions”. You can be sure that the submission for 2022 will take full advantage of the changed rules.
No idea how much the catering costs attributable to non-F1 staff might be but every little helps.
Dan Fallows' gardening leave is done. He's been at Aston Martin since April. Unless you reckon that his salary from Aston Martin should be included in Red Bull's cost cap?
Eh? They included a tax rebate they never got, not that they forgot to include a rebate which was paid out! Unused and redundant parts accounted for another big chunk. Apparently, the FIA changed the way those are treated after RBR made their financial submission. According to Horner, “Had we been allowed to resubmit, it would have had a benefit to us in the region of £1.2m of unused parts and the way that those unused parts are accounted and treated, and that we believe have been adopted by other teams within their submissions”. You can be sure that the submission for 2022 will take full advantage of the changed rules.
No idea how much the catering costs attributable to non-F1 staff might be but every little helps.
Dan Fallows' gardening leave is done. He's been at Aston Martin since April. Unless you reckon that his salary from Aston Martin should be included in Red Bull's cost cap?
Also why did the other teams account for spare parts in a way which cost them more, when the rule saying for it to be done happened after the submission was sent in? In a cost cap you won’t add stuff you don’t need to as it will mean you can’t spend as much, it’d be crazy for teams to include things they didn’t need to.
Look at the comments from RB about Max not being told to let Perez past until the last corner, and compare it to the radio messages in videos… hint, it shows RB are happy to lie to the public.
MadCaptainJack said:
Well, the tax credit that they failed to include accounted for most of the overspend in 2021 so if they get a similar tax credit this year (not an unreasonable assumption), they're most of the way there.
Unused and redundant parts accounted for another big chunk. Apparently, the FIA changed the way those are treated after RBR made their financial submission. According to Horner, “Had we been allowed to resubmit, it would have had a benefit to us in the region of £1.2m of unused parts and the way that those unused parts are accounted and treated, and that we believe have been adopted by other teams within their submissions”. You can be sure that the submission for 2022 will take full advantage of the changed rules.
No idea how much the catering costs attributable to non-F1 staff might be but every little helps.
Dan Fallows' gardening leave is done. He's been at Aston Martin since April. Unless you reckon that his salary from Aston Martin should be included in Red Bull's cost cap?
Your problem is treating whatever Horner says as the truth. Most of the time it is obfuscation if not a downright lie.Unused and redundant parts accounted for another big chunk. Apparently, the FIA changed the way those are treated after RBR made their financial submission. According to Horner, “Had we been allowed to resubmit, it would have had a benefit to us in the region of £1.2m of unused parts and the way that those unused parts are accounted and treated, and that we believe have been adopted by other teams within their submissions”. You can be sure that the submission for 2022 will take full advantage of the changed rules.
No idea how much the catering costs attributable to non-F1 staff might be but every little helps.
Dan Fallows' gardening leave is done. He's been at Aston Martin since April. Unless you reckon that his salary from Aston Martin should be included in Red Bull's cost cap?
ChocolateFrog said:
suffolk009 said:
simon_harris said:
As much as I would like Hamilton to get a win this year that would feel really manufactured to me.
If Masi was still around, there'd be a better than 50/50 chance Lewis would be crowned 2022 WDC on Sunday. I obviously don't know how - but Masi could make something up on the spot.Edited by suffolk009 on Wednesday 16th November 16:45
NRS said:
Eh? They included a tax rebate they never got, not that they forgot to include a rebate which was paid out!
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_/¯FIA said:
The FIA acknowledges that had RBR applied the correct treatment within its Full Year Reporting Documentation of RBR’s Notional Tax Credit within its 2021 submission of a value of £1,431,348, it would have been considered by the Cost Cap Administration to be in compliance with Article 4.1(b) of the Regulations and therefore RBR’s Relevant Costs for the 2021 Reporting Period would have in fact exceeded the 2021 Cost Cap by £432,652 (0.37%).
MustangGT said:
MadCaptainJack said:
MustangGT said:
The cost cap is the cost cap.
If anybody thinks RB have spent less this year than last and still have spare money I think they should have a serious think. It is likely RB have done their accounting in a similar way to last year.....
It's entirely possible that RBR could have spent more this year but come in under the cost cap. Now they know where the goalposts are (and will be alert for any unexpected movement), and what the FIA's approach is to enforcement, it's unlikely they'd make the same cost allocation errors that pushed them over the cap last year. They can properly account for any tax credit, and make sure that the catering costs are properly apportioned; they know how to account for unused and redundant parts, and it wouldn't surprise me if they make some changes to employees' contracts to avoid a repeat of the Dan Fallows situation, and ensure that they can formally/contractually reassign people to non-F1 activities when appropriate.If anybody thinks RB have spent less this year than last and still have spare money I think they should have a serious think. It is likely RB have done their accounting in a similar way to last year.....
They have a more clear idea than last year what is required. To meet this year's cost cap they will have had to reduce spending on items that are part of the cost cap significantly. That will have required reductions from day 1, not half or three-quarters of the way through the year.
Example
Team members eat at team hospitality at Grand Prix weekend
The costs come under the cap
Team members have their meals paid for at a local restaurant
The costs are outside the cap.
None of which has anything to do with the car
OMG I’ve just watched the replay of last years final 10 laps. First time I’ve been able to watch it since the debarcle.
“We need a miracle from the racing gods” says CH with 9 laps left. Latifi and Schumacher racing for last place wtf.
Still livid about it a year later………I need to let it go lol
“We need a miracle from the racing gods” says CH with 9 laps left. Latifi and Schumacher racing for last place wtf.
Still livid about it a year later………I need to let it go lol
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