Perez, The Elephant in the Room??
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thegreenhell said:
“I knew he wasn’t going to give me space so I just went for it anyway and so we crashed”
patmahe said:
The below comes from someone who loves to watch Max drive and someone who has been a fan but lost considerable respect for him last weekend.
To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
I agree, this post sums it all up for IMHOTo be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
patmahe said:
The below comes from someone who loves to watch Max drive and someone who has been a fan but lost considerable respect for him last weekend.
To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
The only reason is driving has appeared more mature is due to him not having any close competition for half of the season, make it a close fight like last year and he'll behave/drive the way he always has.To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 08:08
cjm said:
patmahe said:
The below comes from someone who loves to watch Max drive and someone who has been a fan but lost considerable respect for him last weekend.
To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
The only reason is driving has appeared more mature is due to him not having any close competition for half of the season, make it a close fight like last year and he'll behave/drive the way he always has.To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 08:08
It is the same as Schumi, who could race in incredibly close proximity with another competitor without any contact - the same way as Lewis does, but often chose to overstep the mark. Max does the same, but with less finesse (it seems very odd to describe s
t driving with levels of "finesse") and rather than setting up a well executed pass through three corners, he will go all route one, to either batter or cause Lewis to avoid his desperate battering attempts at every corner. So, close racing between Lewis and Max in 2023 - if there is any - will see the carnage resume. He has no other answer to someone that races so well. My only problem with this is that, should Max decide to keep taking Lewis out, Russell will be picking up the points, which Max will not have a problem with if he has to choose between the two.
After witnessing his career and recent further development, I feel Max is a dark step up from Schumi - not good.
Edited by PhilAsia on Friday 18th November 09:00
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
what is it with the Dutch?
They seem to be miles behind when it comes to sportsmanship. It really reminds me of 1970's Britain. I don't think any of their fans from any of the major sports can be held as bastions of fair play and sportsmanship.
They are the tallest nation. Oxygen depravation? They seem to be miles behind when it comes to sportsmanship. It really reminds me of 1970's Britain. I don't think any of their fans from any of the major sports can be held as bastions of fair play and sportsmanship.
PhilAsia said:
cjm said:
patmahe said:
The below comes from someone who loves to watch Max drive and someone who has been a fan but lost considerable respect for him last weekend.
To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
The only reason is driving has appeared more mature is due to him not having any close competition for half of the season, make it a close fight like last year and he'll behave/drive the way he always has.To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 08:08
It is the same as Schumi, who could race in incredibly close proximity with another competitor without any contact - the same way as Lewis does, but often chose to overstep the mark. Max does the same, but with less finesse (it seems very odd to describe s
t driving with levels of "finesse") and rather than setting up a well executed pass through three corners, he will go all route one, to either batter or cause Lewis to avoid his desperate battering attempts at every corner. So, close racing between Lewis and Max in 2023 - if there is any - will see the carnage resume. He has no other answer to someone that races so well. My only problem with this is that, should Max decide to keep taking Lewis out, Russell will be picking up the points, which Max will not have a problem with if he has to choose between the two.
After witnessing his career and recent further development, I feel Max is a dark step up from Schumi - not good.
Edited by PhilAsia on Friday 18th November 09:00
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 09:35
PhilAsia said:
To me, he seems to drive relatively well around those that he has raced with for years, such as Lehkhlercke. Around Lewis however, he is all at sea, desperate to prove the point that he is the better driver, and that affects his judgement.
It is the same as Schumi, who could race in incredibly close proximity with another competitor without any contact - the same way as Lewis does, but often chose to overstep the mark. Max does the same, but with less finesse (it seems very odd to describe st driving with levels of "finesse") and rather than setting up a well executed pass through three corners, he will go all route one, to either batter or cause Lewis to avoid his desperate battering attempts at every corner.
So, close racing between Lewis and Max in 2023 - if there is any - will see the carnage resume. He has no other answer to someone that races so well. My only problem with this is that, should Max decide to keep taking Lewis out, Russell will be picking up the points, which Max will not have a problem with if he has to choose between the two.
After witnessing his career and recent further development, I feel Max is a dark step up from Schumi - not good.
Excellent summary, thanks Phil.It is the same as Schumi, who could race in incredibly close proximity with another competitor without any contact - the same way as Lewis does, but often chose to overstep the mark. Max does the same, but with less finesse (it seems very odd to describe s
t driving with levels of "finesse") and rather than setting up a well executed pass through three corners, he will go all route one, to either batter or cause Lewis to avoid his desperate battering attempts at every corner. So, close racing between Lewis and Max in 2023 - if there is any - will see the carnage resume. He has no other answer to someone that races so well. My only problem with this is that, should Max decide to keep taking Lewis out, Russell will be picking up the points, which Max will not have a problem with if he has to choose between the two.
After witnessing his career and recent further development, I feel Max is a dark step up from Schumi - not good.
Edited by PhilAsia on Friday 18th November 09:00
cjm said:
patmahe said:
The below comes from someone who loves to watch Max drive and someone who has been a fan but lost considerable respect for him last weekend.
To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
The only reason is driving has appeared more mature is due to him not having any close competition for half of the season, make it a close fight like last year and he'll behave/drive the way he always has.To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 08:08
He came of second best early on to Charles and even Sergio was giving him a run for his money until the car development swung in his favour!!
He knows in a fair fight Lewis has him beat and if he is silly enough next year to drive the same way other drivers will be there to pick up the pieces!
His rise to fame thru Karting was achieved with the very best equipment CRG could provide him with and Jos would turn up with a van full of the fastest engines from TM.
Also he missed out on a normal childhood and thus maybe a proper gounding for adult life.
Dunit said:
cjm said:
patmahe said:
The below comes from someone who loves to watch Max drive and someone who has been a fan but lost considerable respect for him last weekend.
To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
The only reason is driving has appeared more mature is due to him not having any close competition for half of the season, make it a close fight like last year and he'll behave/drive the way he always has.To be honest whether Checo spun intentionally or not Max's decision last weekend was unsporting at best and idiotic at worst, do we think we'll see Checo 'being a legend' for Max next year? I think we'll see him hold the door open a bit more readily if the opportunity arises. Max remembers the one 'alleged' slight and not the multiple times Checo helped him or was the buffer of another position between him and championship rivals.
Driving has been a lot more mature this year but Max is showing he still has a lot of growing up to do.
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 08:08
He came of second best early on to Charles and even Sergio was giving him a run for his money until the car development swung in his favour!!
He knows in a fair fight Lewis has him beat and if he is silly enough next year to drive the same way other drivers will be there to pick up the pieces!
His rise to fame thru Karting was achieved with the very best equipment CRG could provide him with and Jos would turn up with a van full of the fastest engines from TM.
Also he missed out on a normal childhood and thus maybe a proper gounding for adult life.
Where Max and so many champions before him fall down in our estimation is in their unerring belief that they are the chosen one and that the world should bend to their will and they cannot handle it when it doesn't. But perhaps this trait while unenviable to most people in normal society is exactly what makes them champion material in the first place and without this 'flaw' they would be nowhere near the heights they are at now.
I'm not defending what Max did, I didn't like it and given the same circumstances I wouldn't do what he did, but I'm normal. The more I watch F1 the more I'm convinced the most successful F1 drivers aren't normal and it's that ruthless streak and self belief that gives them that final 1% over their rivals, does it make them nice people, no, but it makes them champions.
Perez has apologized for the things he said about Max after Brazil. I think we can all agree he went a little too far there…
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/perez-regrets-br...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/perez-regrets-br...
I think more like red bull have told perez max is the golden boy and if he wants to continue driving for them to shut up and be Max’s bh!
Not a max fan at all I don’t think he’s a very good racer! He proves that when the going gets tough he’s shouting at everyone or crashing his way past Lewis!
He can’t race Lewis as he knows Lewis is a much better polished racer
Personally think he needs a race ban for basically admitting to taking Lewis out maybe that would calm him down! But the fia seem to be staying quiet on his behaviour
h!Not a max fan at all I don’t think he’s a very good racer! He proves that when the going gets tough he’s shouting at everyone or crashing his way past Lewis!
He can’t race Lewis as he knows Lewis is a much better polished racer
Personally think he needs a race ban for basically admitting to taking Lewis out maybe that would calm him down! But the fia seem to be staying quiet on his behaviour
Max has a strop and ignores team orders and Perez has to apologize 
'Verstappen has since made it clear that there was no discussion about team orders until the last lap of the race. Perez agreed that a lack of clarity within the camp had complicated matters'
Apart from when Perez was asked to let Max through and it didn't seem too complicated then...
'Verstappen has since made it clear that there was no discussion about team orders until the last lap of the race. Perez agreed that a lack of clarity within the camp had complicated matters'
Apart from when Perez was asked to let Max through and it didn't seem too complicated then...
Edited by cjm on Friday 18th November 12:52
MustangGT said:
PhilAsia said:
To me, he seems to drive relatively well around those that he has raced with for years, such as Lehkhlercke. Around Lewis however, he is all at sea, desperate to prove the point that he is the better driver, and that affects his judgement.
It is the same as Schumi, who could race in incredibly close proximity with another competitor without any contact - the same way as Lewis does, but often chose to overstep the mark. Max does the same, but with less finesse (it seems very odd to describe st driving with levels of "finesse") and rather than setting up a well executed pass through three corners, he will go all route one, to either batter or cause Lewis to avoid his desperate battering attempts at every corner.
So, close racing between Lewis and Max in 2023 - if there is any - will see the carnage resume. He has no other answer to someone that races so well. My only problem with this is that, should Max decide to keep taking Lewis out, Russell will be picking up the points, which Max will not have a problem with if he has to choose between the two.
After witnessing his career and recent further development, I feel Max is a dark step up from Schumi - not good.
Excellent summary, thanks Phil.It is the same as Schumi, who could race in incredibly close proximity with another competitor without any contact - the same way as Lewis does, but often chose to overstep the mark. Max does the same, but with less finesse (it seems very odd to describe s
t driving with levels of "finesse") and rather than setting up a well executed pass through three corners, he will go all route one, to either batter or cause Lewis to avoid his desperate battering attempts at every corner. So, close racing between Lewis and Max in 2023 - if there is any - will see the carnage resume. He has no other answer to someone that races so well. My only problem with this is that, should Max decide to keep taking Lewis out, Russell will be picking up the points, which Max will not have a problem with if he has to choose between the two.
After witnessing his career and recent further development, I feel Max is a dark step up from Schumi - not good.
Edited by PhilAsia on Friday 18th November 09:00
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freedman said:
Dunit said:
His rise to fame thru Karting was achieved with the very best equipment CRG could provide him with and Jos would turn up with a van full of the fastest engines from TM.
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I don't recall anyone getting to the top in Karting without the best equipment.
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