Will You Carry on Watching F1?
Discussion
I saw my first GP in 1971 and have stuck with it through thick and thin. Of course there are periods of utter domination eg (1988 McLaren ) , innovations by a team which make the rest look amateurs(Lotus 1978 (1967, 1963, 1970 ) , talk of iffy compliance with rules (Brabham 1983, Benetton 1995 ) and also periods where no one team dominates (1982 ) but that goes with the territory . If folk want wheel to wheel action at every race, fields separated by nano seconds etc they are watching the wrong sport . There's plenty of other stuff - spec formulae, BoP series etc - for those with lower attention spans .
MCBrowncoat said:
pablo said:
MCBrowncoat said:
sociopath said:
MCBrowncoat said:
sociopath said:
pablo said:
Milkyway said:
MrBig said:
phil1979 said:
Even though McLaren are my team and they look woeful so far, I will keep watching as I am not a massive fanny.
Nailed it!
Ditto.Lando’s Ginetta Junior & F4 days seem such a long time ago now.
Going to enjoy & see how the new blood progresses over the years.
But IF Hamilton does win his eighth title... we will still get the ’ninth really’ brigade bleating on.
Edited by Milkyway on Monday 6th March 16:34
tting in their shoes, when they stop passing in our Bovril….”I see, it's absolutely everywhere
Several people on here I think need a good hug
What is sad about F1 is the number of, so claimed, massive fans who want to stop watching because they claim some sort of ownership on how it should be run, and run crying to their mummies because their favourite didn't win.
That's what little 3 year olds do when they don't win at ludo.
Feel free to continue whining, I'll keep watching and enjoying myself.
I will, but only if I have nothing on, I certainly wouldn't change my plans just to watch a race although I have to say I really enjoyed the battle between Alonso and the Mercedes/Ferraris.
This is going to be a replay of the 1988 season where Senna and Prost won 15 of the 16 races isn't it? I am going to say Max will win 18 of the 23 races this year, the only times he won't win are where he has a technical issue, crashes or has a poor qualifying position on a track like Monaco where it is impossible to overtake.
This is going to be a replay of the 1988 season where Senna and Prost won 15 of the 16 races isn't it? I am going to say Max will win 18 of the 23 races this year, the only times he won't win are where he has a technical issue, crashes or has a poor qualifying position on a track like Monaco where it is impossible to overtake.
It started going down the pan with the advent of fandom - the folk who never watched any other form of motorsport (and sometimes sneered at everything other than F1 as being inferior ) and had to form some hysterical attachment to a team or driver to show their enthusiasm. I am in the minority , I suspect , that I really do not care who wins a race, let alone the title - all I want is spectacle (eg overpowered cars struggling to stay on track ) ,inspired overtaking and the chance to witness sublime driving, preferably from trackside .
I couldn't care less if Christian Horner is nice to his nan or whether Lando said something iffy on Twitter , I glaze over when tyre deg is discussed but I do care that F1 pimps itself around to appalling, medieval regimes like Saudi and Qatar . And the rest...
I couldn't care less if Christian Horner is nice to his nan or whether Lando said something iffy on Twitter , I glaze over when tyre deg is discussed but I do care that F1 pimps itself around to appalling, medieval regimes like Saudi and Qatar . And the rest...
maz8062 said:
The problem is that there’s a perception that the team currently dominating the sport cheated and yet are still miles ahead of the competition. Both AM and RBR breached the cost cap and are now smashing it. This wouldn’t happen in any other sport - sanctions should be punitive.
But it works both ways. Lewis punted Max off in Silverstone and was given a penalty that everyone knew wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to the result. The FIA obviously are too scared to intervene in any meaningful way for fear of upsetting the 500TORQUES said:
gt_12345 said:
phil1979 said:
hilly10 said:
gt_12345 said:
I really do wonder if the drivers' championship should have a separate race, using an identical, standard car and the constructor's championship being based on the teams' cars. So two races each weekend.
100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
Always said that would be a great addition to the weekend racing, never happen though.100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
It doesnt
Guarantee it would be epic.
It's a silly idea and not F1.
Even a one off end of season shoot out would never get 100% engagement.
Bit question would be, who would make the cars and engines??? It'd need to be someone completely independent and unaffiliated to any of the teams in any way, and with the reach of relationships for these kinds of motorsports families, that wouldn't happen. Could you imagine if teams were being persuaded to use a car with a Renault engine, or with a chassis made by Dallara, who also provide chassis to McLaren Arrows Indycar?? The risks of accusations of advantages would be impossible to overcome.
sociopath said:
What is sad about F1 is the number of, so claimed, massive fans who want to stop watching because they claim some sort of ownership on how it should be run, and run crying to their mummies because their favourite didn't win.
That's what little 3 year olds do when they don't win at ludo.
Feel free to continue whining, I'll keep watching and enjoying myself.
Claiming others are acting like 3 year olds, while throwing insults around to try and win an argument. That's what little 3 year olds do when they don't win at ludo.
Feel free to continue whining, I'll keep watching and enjoying myself.
I would suggest that this is very much the problem with F1 discussions today (not just F1, this is a wider public discourse problem). Trying to insult and diminish the other persons argument and not listening and responding with honesty. Repeating lies over and over doesn't make them true.
Fans have legitimate grievance with how F1 is/has been run. Whether that's what was by what was all accounts a sporting fiasco i.e. the 2021 season. Most notably, but not exclusively, Abu Dhabi. Or the open to interpretation cost cap. But don't worry about that, because it's just "crying because your favourite driver didn't win". That's just dishonesty and rhetoric.
While fans may not have ownership over how F1 is run, they can do the only thing they can do really and vote with their viewership. Which is what is being discussed in this thread.
paulguitar said:
mat205125 said:
The regs and the access to CFD and wind tunnel time is starting to pay off in my opinion
How do see this as 'starting to pay off', when we just saw a completely dominant weekend for Red Bull?[/quot
1.5secs coveting the whole grid in Quali... looks promising.
( And that’s with a few rookies / returnees.
paulguitar said:
mat205125 said:
The regs and the access to CFD and wind tunnel time is starting to pay off in my opinion
How do see this as 'starting to pay off', when we just saw a completely dominant weekend for Red Bull?Drivers in new teams, Rookies & Returnees...looks promising.
Drew106 said:
sociopath said:
What is sad about F1 is the number of, so claimed, massive fans who want to stop watching because they claim some sort of ownership on how it should be run, and run crying to their mummies because their favourite didn't win.
That's what little 3 year olds do when they don't win at ludo.
Feel free to continue whining, I'll keep watching and enjoying myself.
Claiming others are acting like 3 year olds, while throwing insults around to try and win an argument. That's what little 3 year olds do when they don't win at ludo.
Feel free to continue whining, I'll keep watching and enjoying myself.
I would suggest that this is very much the problem with F1 discussions today (not just F1, this is a wider public discourse problem). Trying to insult and diminish the other persons argument and not listening and responding with honesty. Repeating lies over and over doesn't make them true.
Fans have legitimate grievance with how F1 is/has been run. Whether that's what was by what was all accounts a sporting fiasco i.e. the 2021 season. Most notably, but not exclusively, Abu Dhabi. Or the open to interpretation cost cap. But don't worry about that, because it's just "crying because your favourite driver didn't win". That's just dishonesty and rhetoric.
While fans may not have ownership over how F1 is run, they can do the only thing they can do really and vote with their viewership. Which is what is being discussed in this thread.
So feel free to stop watching, absolutely no one will notice.
I'm going to carry on watching, dominance is part of F1 and always has been. It's disappointing though, because we have a situation a bit like the dominant Schumacher years, involving a significant car advantage and a team employing one superstar and one journeyman.
The Schumacher years were very tedious, and it looks like we might be getting something similar here.
The Schumacher years were very tedious, and it looks like we might be getting something similar here.
Milkyway said:
paulguitar said:
mat205125 said:
The regs and the access to CFD and wind tunnel time is starting to pay off in my opinion
How do see this as 'starting to pay off', when we just saw a completely dominant weekend for Red Bull?Drivers in new teams, Rookies & Returnees...looks promising.
mat205125 said:
Milkyway said:
paulguitar said:
mat205125 said:
The regs and the access to CFD and wind tunnel time is starting to pay off in my opinion
How do see this as 'starting to pay off', when we just saw a completely dominant weekend for Red Bull?Drivers in new teams, Rookies & Returnees...looks promising.
paulguitar said:
mat205125 said:
Milkyway said:
paulguitar said:
mat205125 said:
The regs and the access to CFD and wind tunnel time is starting to pay off in my opinion
How do see this as 'starting to pay off', when we just saw a completely dominant weekend for Red Bull?Drivers in new teams, Rookies & Returnees...looks promising.
I'm disappointed that the first race of 2023 hasn't shown that Ferrari used the latter part of 2022 getting ready for a stronger start to the season, but it's far too early to draw too many conclusions from a sample of only one race.
mat205125 said:
Having had nearly a decade of one team domination, where only two drivers could win, I don't think we're quite there with 2023 to be honest.
We had some great seasons though. Hamilton VS Rosberg was often superb, and we had at least two seasons with a very competitive Ferrari. Bottas, granted, was not usually on Hamilton's level, but when he was he was allowed to challenge him.Perez has never been more than a journeyman with occasional flashes of excellence. This, combined with a significant car advantage for Red Bull foreshadows Sunday afternoons where we'll likely have to take frequent recourse to the Chianti.
mat205125 said:
Having had nearly a decade of one team domination, where only two drivers could win, I don't think we're quite there with 2023 to be honest.
I'm disappointed that the first race of 2023 hasn't shown that Ferrari used the latter part of 2022 getting ready for a stronger start to the season, but it's far too early to draw too many conclusions from a sample of only one race.
I think that looking at the evidence, it's going to take something fairly significant to disrupt Red Bull's march.I'm disappointed that the first race of 2023 hasn't shown that Ferrari used the latter part of 2022 getting ready for a stronger start to the season, but it's far too early to draw too many conclusions from a sample of only one race.
Bahrain is not a very car specific circuit like, say Monaco for example or Monza. This likely means that the Red Bull works everywhere that isn't anomalous
Max is metronomic when he gets out in front.
Perez is a fine driver and whilst Max is clearly the chosen one, I don't think this is particularly at the expense of Perez. He's just not as quick as Verstappen.
Ferrari, whilst having a decent car, clearly aren't in the same game. Aston and Mercedes are further back.
Red Bull will be unlikely to win every race (although it could happen, given today's reliability) but it's tough to see someone getting their car to a point that it's as fast as theirs.
It's a fallacy to suggest that no-one else was able to win from 2014 to 2020. Red Bull won on merit in 2014 and Ferrari did in 2015. 2016 was all silver but Ferrari had a title-challenging car in 2017 and 2018.
I hope beyond hope that some fans reach out to other forms of racing beyond F1.
It really is not that great as a racing series. Yes the drivers are the best, but are the cars? I would say no,
There is a ton of stuff out there, far cheaper, far easier to watch, cheaper.
Some series have more racing in an hour than F1 has in a season, but for whatever reason it continues to garner support, despite not actually being that good as a racing series, It is all about hype, fanboys and being there.
And that grows old for a lot of people very quickly
It really is not that great as a racing series. Yes the drivers are the best, but are the cars? I would say no,
There is a ton of stuff out there, far cheaper, far easier to watch, cheaper.
Some series have more racing in an hour than F1 has in a season, but for whatever reason it continues to garner support, despite not actually being that good as a racing series, It is all about hype, fanboys and being there.
And that grows old for a lot of people very quickly
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