Will You Carry on Watching F1?
Discussion
LukeBrown66 said:
I hope beyond hope that some fans reach out to other forms of racing beyond F1.
It really is not that great as a racing series. Yes the drivers are the best, but are the cars? I would say no,
There is a ton of stuff out there, far cheaper, far easier to watch, cheaper.
Some series have more racing in an hour than F1 has in a season, but for whatever reason it continues to garner support, despite not actually being that good as a racing series, It is all about hype, fanboys and being there.
And that grows old for a lot of people very quickly
It's top of the tree, the best of the best, the quickest cars by far. That's why we're all addicted, even though throughout its history its often been dull.It really is not that great as a racing series. Yes the drivers are the best, but are the cars? I would say no,
There is a ton of stuff out there, far cheaper, far easier to watch, cheaper.
Some series have more racing in an hour than F1 has in a season, but for whatever reason it continues to garner support, despite not actually being that good as a racing series, It is all about hype, fanboys and being there.
And that grows old for a lot of people very quickly
mat205125 said:
500TORQUES said:
gt_12345 said:
phil1979 said:
hilly10 said:
gt_12345 said:
I really do wonder if the drivers' championship should have a separate race, using an identical, standard car and the constructor's championship being based on the teams' cars. So two races each weekend.
100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
Always said that would be a great addition to the weekend racing, never happen though.100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
It doesnt
Guarantee it would be epic.
It's a silly idea and not F1.
Even a one off end of season shoot out would never get 100% engagement.
Bit question would be, who would make the cars and engines??? It'd need to be someone completely independent and unaffiliated to any of the teams in any way, and with the reach of relationships for these kinds of motorsports families, that wouldn't happen. Could you imagine if teams were being persuaded to use a car with a Renault engine, or with a chassis made by Dallara, who also provide chassis to McLaren Arrows Indycar?? The risks of accusations of advantages would be impossible to overcome.
I think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
patmahe said:
Wasn't there a series called M1 procar, that supported F1 in the 80s. BMW M1s with F1 and guest drivers. From what I gather the racing was epic because all the guys who said they could win in equal machinery had to put up or shut up.
I think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV7E6eb9KqMI think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
unfortunately I found out the result of bahrain just before the highlights, so didnt bother watching, anyway had been watching the cycling all day so was still on a high, didnt want to spoil my day watching a borefest. not be watching as I have no respect for red bull apart from Newey
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patmahe said:
Wasn't there a series called M1 procar, that supported F1 in the 80s. BMW M1s with F1 and guest drivers. From what I gather the racing was epic because all the guys who said they could win in equal machinery had to put up or shut up.
I think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
Don’t forget the F1 Espace concept...race series was mooted.I think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GIvNLHgqS4k
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 7th March 17:44
patmahe said:
Wasn't there a series called M1 procar, that supported F1 in the 80s. BMW M1s with F1 and guest drivers. From what I gather the racing was epic because all the guys who said they could win in equal machinery had to put up or shut up.
I think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
There was indeed , and I saw a couple of the races . It was a bit of fun over a grand prix weekend , if very expensive fun with big prizes on offer. Not every driver competed , because of contractual issues , so we never saw Villeneuve in them . But Lauda , Piquet , Stuck et al were all very entertaining . The racing was good although I can't say many would subscribe to your 'put up or shut up ' theory. Even less would believe Pro Car's demise was because it threatened F1 ... It stopped because it was pricey and unsustainable - and because BMW went into F1 itself with Brabham shortly afterwards . I think it died mainly because it could have become more popular than F1.
Imagine the current grid and a few drivers from WEC, Indycar, WRC and various touring car series and maybe a few junior drivers all being handed equal i8s to go hammer and tongs and see who was the best. Would be amazing to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1_Procar_Cham...
Attempts have been made for decades to stick top drivers in equal cars and none really worked . In early days , putting team managers in Mexicos was daft fun (and many , like Chapman , were very handy ) , early IROC and then RoC were so so , but don't fall into the trap of thinking that only F 1 drivers can really drive . They might excel in the rarefied world of F1 , with its own demands, and while some are great in everything others can look mediocre . If you want really tight racing, as Luke says , there is loads about , especially in the historic arena at Goodwood , and with HSCC , CSCC etc and it is best experienced live .
Edited by coppice on Wednesday 8th March 07:17
mat205125 said:
I don't think it's a silly idea completely, however ultimately it would be impractical and impossible to persuade every team to release their drivers for.
Even a one off end of season shoot out would never get 100% engagement.
Bit question would be, who would make the cars and engines??? It'd need to be someone completely independent and unaffiliated to any of the teams in any way, and with the reach of relationships for these kinds of motorsports families, that wouldn't happen. Could you imagine if teams were being persuaded to use a car with a Renault engine, or with a chassis made by Dallara, who also provide chassis to McLaren Arrows Indycar?? The risks of accusations of advantages would be impossible to overcome.
There some Tatuus F3 cars now going unused.Even a one off end of season shoot out would never get 100% engagement.
Bit question would be, who would make the cars and engines??? It'd need to be someone completely independent and unaffiliated to any of the teams in any way, and with the reach of relationships for these kinds of motorsports families, that wouldn't happen. Could you imagine if teams were being persuaded to use a car with a Renault engine, or with a chassis made by Dallara, who also provide chassis to McLaren Arrows Indycar?? The risks of accusations of advantages would be impossible to overcome.
monkfish1 said:
Sadly after the Abu Dhabi fiasco, its clear that F1 is entertainment, not sport.
Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.
I still watch it, but I will never see it in the same way after the Abu Dhabi debacle. The 'sport' truly jumped the shark that night, it's hard to take seriously now.Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.
F1 changed for me when it expanded from 16 or 17 races per year to 20+. The impact of that changed was I could no longer watch all of the races live as there were simply too many. Until then I hardly missed a race but once the streak was broken I gradually drifted back to only watching about half live. Of the remaining races I'd catch some on the radio (The 5Live team of Nicholls, Palmer, Gow and Benson were particularly brilliant) and some via highlights in the evening.
I'll still follow and watch F1 this year but the mix of how I do will probably change with fewer races being watched live. F1 is all of it not just the battle for the race win. It's the tech, it's the political shenanigans, it's David v Goliath, it's rising stars Vs old guard, it's all out war between major corporations.
There will be plenty of stories to be told this year. Plenty of battles, little victories, big victories and triumphs in unlikely circumstances. The challenge for FOM is to tell those stories via the world feed TV coverage. They can't control what the commentators say but they can control the pictures they have to talk about.
I'll still follow and watch F1 this year but the mix of how I do will probably change with fewer races being watched live. F1 is all of it not just the battle for the race win. It's the tech, it's the political shenanigans, it's David v Goliath, it's rising stars Vs old guard, it's all out war between major corporations.
There will be plenty of stories to be told this year. Plenty of battles, little victories, big victories and triumphs in unlikely circumstances. The challenge for FOM is to tell those stories via the world feed TV coverage. They can't control what the commentators say but they can control the pictures they have to talk about.
hilly10 said:
paulguitar said:
Now that would have a great watchentropy said:
There some Tatuus F3 cars now going unused.
Whenever there’s a PH thread on some mad million-pound track supercar, I always suggest that, if I had a spare million and wanted to have fun, I’d pick up half a dozen F3 cars and spend the rest of the money on tyres and fuel, and race engineers who will evaluate the hell out of your lap times! //j17 said:
WelshChris said:
For me this highlights just how much "race management" b
ks goes on - are any of these cars ever driven consistently to their full potential?
No - because 'flat out' isn't the quickest way to cover the race distance so the best strategy to win the race.ks goes on - are any of these cars ever driven consistently to their full potential?To run the whole race 'flat out' you'd need to start with so much extra fuel your lap times at the start of the race will be significantly slower than those around you. Also you'll burn through tyres so need at least 1 more pit stop than everyone else. Yes you'll be much faster than everyone else at certain points - just nowhere near fast enough for enough laps to make up the deficits you'd build up.
monkfish1 said:
Sadly after the Abu Dhabi fiasco, its clear that F1 is entertainment, not sport.
Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.
Fiasco ? It was just a not astoundingly memorable Grand Prix , similar to many other GPs in the last 70 years. Is it the DtS effect , or do most F1 fans now have short attention spans and crave the sugar rush of constant action ? Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.
coppice said:
monkfish1 said:
Sadly after the Abu Dhabi fiasco, its clear that F1 is entertainment, not sport.
Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.
Fiasco ? It was just a not astoundingly memorable Grand Prix , similar to many other GPs in the last 70 years. Is it the DtS effect , or do most F1 fans now have short attention spans and crave the sugar rush of constant action ? Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.
It was nothing if not astoundingly memorable.
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