Will You Carry on Watching F1?

[paulguitar]

coppice said:

monkfish1 said:

Sadly after the Abu Dhabi fiasco, its clear that F1 is entertainment, not sport.

Creating false drama. Not interested, not watched it since.

Fiasco ? It was just a not astoundingly memorable Grand Prix , similar to many other GPs in the last 70 years. Is it the DtS effect , or do most F1 fans now have short attention spans and crave the sugar rush of constant action ?

Um, I think he means Abu Dhabi 2021!?

[coppice]

Mea culpa . That said, I can't say I lost too much sleep over it - it was a risible cockup is all. It happens - some folk still haven't decided who was the real winner of the Canadian GP in 1973 . Howden Ganley once told me he was , even if the record books suggest otherwise

[paulguitar]

coppice said:

Mea culpa . That said, I can't say I lost too much sleep over it - it was a risible cockup is all. It happens - some folk still haven't decided who was the real winner of the Canadian GP in 1973 . Howden Ganley once told me he was , even if the record books suggest otherwise

Did the Canadian GP of 1973 decide the title?

[Milkyway]

Perhaps the FIA could introduce something like this years BSB Championship.
That would certainly keep things interesting... well it is a long season.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 8th March 09:34

[mat205125]

Milkyway said:

Perhaps the FIA could introduce something like this years BSB Championship.
That would certainly keep things interesting... well it is a long season.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

That looks like an utter nightmare for all involved to be able to comprehend and follow, especially anyone who's just dipping in and out of a handful of rounds per year

[HardtopManual]

abzmike said:

Were there similar grumblings when Mercedes were thumping all around them for 5 years?

Yes, and that was despite them having equal drivers, which isn't the case at RB.

[HardtopManual]

mat205125 said:

That looks like an utter nightmare for all involved to be able to comprehend and follow, especially anyone who's just dipping in and out of a handful of rounds per year

...and we've had double points for a season finale before, accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Including mine.

[coppice]

paulguitar said:

coppice said:

Mea culpa . That said, I can't say I lost too much sleep over it - it was a risible cockup is all. It happens - some folk still haven't decided who was the real winner of the Canadian GP in 1973 . Howden Ganley once told me he was , even if the record books suggest otherwise

Did the Canadian GP of 1973 decide the title?

As I suspect you know already, it didn't. And hardly anyone would be saying Abu Dhabi '21 decided the title had it taken place earlier in the season.

[HustleRussell]

coppice said:

As I suspect you know already, it didn't. And hardly anyone would be saying Abu Dhabi '21 decided the title had it taken place earlier in the season.

The bending of the rules to contrive the result probably wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been the final race of the season and the decider.

ETA: Although you could look at many stewarding decisions throughout the year and reasonably conclude that they were also contrived to set up a last race decider and possibly even a non-Hamilton winner.

[paulguitar]

coppice said:

As I suspect you know already, it didn't. And hardly anyone would be saying Abu Dhabi '21 decided the title had it taken place earlier in the season.

It didn’t take place earlier in the season, and it did decide the title.

[maz8062]

paulguitar said:

coppice said:

As I suspect you know already, it didn't. And hardly anyone would be saying Abu Dhabi '21 decided the title had it taken place earlier in the season.

It didn’t take place earlier in the season, and it did decide the title.

You know, every time I see LH struggling and Max romping away into the distance, I’m reminded that the powers that be should never interfere with destiny. LH could and should have been an 8 x WDC and the baton handed over to Max for the Max era. Who knows how long his dominance will last for, but it would have been destiny and F1 would be all the better for it. As it is I can’t help by look on at LH with pity, pity that he’s been robbed and is unlikely to ever get a genuine opportunity to win that 8th title again.

[Mark-C]

paulguitar said:

coppice said:

Mea culpa . That said, I can't say I lost too much sleep over it - it was a risible cockup is all. It happens - some folk still haven't decided who was the real winner of the Canadian GP in 1973 . Howden Ganley once told me he was , even if the record books suggest otherwise

Did the Canadian GP of 1973 decide the title?

Wan't it the race that ensured Jackie Stewart won the championship?

(And I know that's not what you mean)

I usually listen to races live on Radio whilst running and watch highlights if it seems worth it ... which is less often these days. My F1 awareness started in 1975 and much has changed - some for the better and some less so. I'm in the middle of switching Broadband providers which will net me some very good NowTV options and I'd intended watching a few live races this year for the first time in ages. The Grand Prix just gone makes me rethink that plan but I suspect there will be some good ones to come however dominant RB are.

My decision will depend on closeness of racing across the field and not what happened a couple of years ago ...

[paulguitar]

maz8062 said:

paulguitar said:

coppice said:

As I suspect you know already, it didn't. And hardly anyone would be saying Abu Dhabi '21 decided the title had it taken place earlier in the season.

It didn’t take place earlier in the season, and it did decide the title.

You know, every time I see LH struggling and Max romping away into the distance, I’m reminded that the powers that be should never interfere with destiny. LH could and should have been an 8 x WDC and the baton handed over to Max for the Max era. Who knows how long his dominance will last for, but it would have been destiny and F1 would be all the better for it. As it is I can’t help by look on at LH with pity, pity that he’s been robbed and is unlikely to ever get a genuine opportunity to win that 8th title again.

Agreed. It will be forever a stain on the sport, and the willingness of some previously respected figures (I'm primarily looking at some of the Sky team here) to bury their heads in the sand did not go unnoticed.

[paulguitar]

Mark-C said:

Wan't it the race that ensured Jackie Stewart won the championship?

I think it was decided at Monza, wasn't it?

Mark-C said:

I usually listen to races live on Radio whilst running and watch highlights if it seems worth it ... which is less often these days. My F1 awareness started in 1975 and much has changed - some for the better and some less so. I'm in the middle of switching Broadband providers which will net me some very good NowTV options and I'd intended watching a few live races this year for the first time in ages. The Grand Prix just gone makes me rethink that plan but I suspect there will be some good ones to come however dominant RB are.

My decision will depend on closeness of racing across the field and not what happened a couple of years ago ...

Fair enough. It's a combination for me. F1 royally fked itself in 2021, and will never be the same again. But I am always up for watching good racing, which we do occasionally get, and will continue to persevere with the whole pantomine...

[Mark-C]

paulguitar said:

Mark-C said:

Wasn't it the race that ensured Jackie Stewart won the championship?

I think it was decided at Monza, wasn't it?

Yeah - I've checked and you're right which rather ruins my clever\sarcastic response

[paulguitar]

Mark-C said:

Yeah - I've checked and you're right which rather ruins my clever\sarcastic response

[LukeBrown66]

SKY did what they did because they were probably told to by LIbety,m it is not SKY's product that was being sold in was LM's, so that is why it is always dangerous when these things happen and media outlets have pundits on with their own opinions.

Driving moves, etc fine,

But deciding a title with a strange decision, always going to be tough for pundits not to talk about, hence why some are not there anymore.

[Major T]

Yes, the red bulls will scamper off every race, but so what?

F1 races today are much better than past seasons, which were often processions, with only pit stop overtakes.

This season, AM and Alonso are up at the sharp pend, that's mega. Will they beat Mercedes and Ferrari? How far will Merc fall? Will Lewis sign with Ferrari for '24?

I was flagging last season, but this season looks better. Also, sour grapes from Abu Dhabi '21 have faded.

Still watching, albeit for free, using FIL's sky go login.

[Milkyway]

... I’ll add, Will Hulkenberg finally get a podium.
(Monaco is good for throwing up a strange result).

Edited by Milkyway on Thursday 9th March 13:32

[paulguitar]

Major T said:

Yes, the red bulls will scamper off every race, but so what?

The reason people are disappointed by this is that a fight for the lead is really by definition the most exciting thing that can happen in a race, however much is going on in the midfield or with politics, etc. When we get a situation with one team having a significant car advantage along with -crucially- a teammate who can't (and is probably not permitted to) compete, it is significantly detrimental to the entertainment we get from the sport.


We've often been lucky, really, in the last few seasons. We had some fantastic battles between Lewis and Nico. When the latter retired, we had some great competition between Lewis and Seb, and then things reached something of a peak with Lewis VS Max in the 2021 season. Until the embarrassing debacle at the end, which ruined it.


What Red Bull is doing is, to be fair, probably the best way to go about winning. We've seen that before with the extraordinarily boring Schumacher seasons from 2000-2004. Before a race weekend had started, we all knew the result. So we can't really hold it against them. Successful, but dull.