Will You Carry on Watching F1?
Discussion
phil1979 said:
hilly10 said:
gt_12345 said:
I really do wonder if the drivers' championship should have a separate race, using an identical, standard car and the constructor's championship being based on the teams' cars. So two races each weekend.
100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
Always said that would be a great addition to the weekend racing, never happen though.100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
It doesnt
Guarantee it would be epic.
Fundoreen said:
The ridiculous hero worship that causes people to say they dont like it anymore. All that desperation for lewis to win his 8th title or they will descend into the pits of despair.
Its like some guy with 7 billion dorras missing out on getting 1 more billion and people cant get over it on his behalf.
He already won itIts like some guy with 7 billion dorras missing out on getting 1 more billion and people cant get over it on his behalf.
KarlMac said:
To be fair I normally only watch the highlights on the F1 YouTube channel. Even that was a hard watch yesterday.
Alonso was a great story, fingers crossed it can carry on through a few more races.
I agree + Alonso the highlight also agreed. Kind of at peace now given the Silverstone tickets were so highly priced that I dipped out.Alonso was a great story, fingers crossed it can carry on through a few more races.
TX.
GiantCardboardPlato said:
Fundoreen said:
The ridiculous hero worship that causes people to say they dont like it anymore. All that desperation for lewis to win his 8th title or they will descend into the pits of despair.
Its like some guy with 7 billion dorras missing out on getting 1 more billion and people cant get over it on his behalf.
He already won itIts like some guy with 7 billion dorras missing out on getting 1 more billion and people cant get over it on his behalf.
and England beat Argentina in the 1986 WC quarter finals before going on to win the tournament....gt_12345 said:
phil1979 said:
hilly10 said:
gt_12345 said:
I really do wonder if the drivers' championship should have a separate race, using an identical, standard car and the constructor's championship being based on the teams' cars. So two races each weekend.
100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
Always said that would be a great addition to the weekend racing, never happen though.100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
It doesnt
Guarantee it would be epic.
It's a silly idea and not F1.
hilly10 said:
After yesterday’s race and then comments coming out of the Mercedes camp that Verstappen should win all 24 races,then it looks like the only real racing will be middle order battles. I have cancelled my subscription anyone else
A years subscription is about £50 so that's not bad for over 20 race weekends and all the drama and surprises that occur in any season of F1 even if the front runner is an easy and safe guess 9 times out of 10.As others have said, the Aston/Alonso story adds a lot of interest this season - and also without celebrating their problems, it is interesting to see the teams that are really struggling and how they attempt to move forwards.
Ferrari, all by themselves will offer at least £50 comedy value in most seasons too.
So whilst I agree that things could be a lot more exciting and it's sad it doesn't look like that's going to be the case this season, there's still in my view more than enough gentle entertainment and intrigue to be worth a few quid each GP weekend.
Muzzer79 said:
patmahe said:
I did see Toto Wolff stop and interview with Ted Kravitz to go and congratulate Lawerence Stroll, the two embraced quite emphatically especially considering Mercedes had just had their arses handed to them by a customer team, it did make me wonder if Toto has one eye on the exit door at Mercedes and will wind up at Aston in the not too distant future.
Lawerence only seems interested in hiring the best and Toto is surely on his wish list.
Nothing to do with the fact then that Toto has a 5% financial stake in Aston Martin, therefore probably knows Lawrence pretty well?Lawerence only seems interested in hiring the best and Toto is surely on his wish list.
Toto personally owns a third of the Mercedes team. He's not going to another team.
Toto must have felt it worth doing for some reason, could be wild speculation on my part or could be Toto minding his future prospects. He's looking down the barrel of two bad seasons at the head of a team that is used to strolling to championships, I think its naive to assume he cannot be ousted if Mercedes see fit.
Good question, and one I have been thinking about since yesterday’s race which I watched live.
I’m a life-long F1 fan. I started watching in 84, and have barely missed a race since. I probably won’t be giving up most of my Sunday afternoons to watch races this year, although I may watch the highlights, if it looks like a decent race.
George Russell said yesterday that both championships are already over. I agree. The difference this season, though, is that it’s unlikely a British driver will be in contention to win a GP for the first time since 2005, so it’s inevitable that I will be less interested in a sport when the result is a foregone conclusion and the British competitors are making up the numbers.
I’m a life-long F1 fan. I started watching in 84, and have barely missed a race since. I probably won’t be giving up most of my Sunday afternoons to watch races this year, although I may watch the highlights, if it looks like a decent race.
George Russell said yesterday that both championships are already over. I agree. The difference this season, though, is that it’s unlikely a British driver will be in contention to win a GP for the first time since 2005, so it’s inevitable that I will be less interested in a sport when the result is a foregone conclusion and the British competitors are making up the numbers.
hilly10 said:
gt_12345 said:
I really do wonder if the drivers' championship should have a separate race, using an identical, standard car and the constructor's championship being based on the teams' cars. So two races each weekend.
100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
Always said that would be a great addition to the weekend racing, never happen though.100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
maz8062 said:
The problem is that there’s a perception that the team currently dominating the sport cheated and yet are still miles ahead of the competition. Both AM and RBR breached the cost cap and are now smashing it. This wouldn’t happen in any other sport - sanctions should be punitive.
It's not a perception, they did cheat. MCBrowncoat said:
sociopath said:
MCBrowncoat said:
sociopath said:
pablo said:
Milkyway said:
MrBig said:
phil1979 said:
Even though McLaren are my team and they look woeful so far, I will keep watching as I am not a massive fanny.
Nailed it!
Ditto.Lando’s Ginetta Junior & F4 days seem such a long time ago now.
Going to enjoy & see how the new blood progresses over the years.
But IF Hamilton does win his eighth title... we will still get the ’ninth really’ brigade bleating on.
Edited by Milkyway on Monday 6th March 16:34
tting in their shoes, when they stop passing in our Bovril….”I see, it's absolutely everywhere
Several people on here I think need a good hug
ChocolateFrog said:
maz8062 said:
The problem is that there’s a perception that the team currently dominating the sport cheated and yet are still miles ahead of the competition. Both AM and RBR breached the cost cap and are now smashing it. This wouldn’t happen in any other sport - sanctions should be punitive.
It's not a perception, they did cheat. But one thing is for sure, they absolutely did cheat. They spent when they should not have spent and that is cheating - even if unintended. And I tend to agree the punishment should have been far harsher.
However, much as I'm not a huge fan of the team, I don't think it's all that likely that the small overspend happening or not happening would materially effect the status quo since.
patmahe said:
Muzzer79 said:
patmahe said:
I did see Toto Wolff stop and interview with Ted Kravitz to go and congratulate Lawerence Stroll, the two embraced quite emphatically especially considering Mercedes had just had their arses handed to them by a customer team, it did make me wonder if Toto has one eye on the exit door at Mercedes and will wind up at Aston in the not too distant future.
Lawerence only seems interested in hiring the best and Toto is surely on his wish list.
Nothing to do with the fact then that Toto has a 5% financial stake in Aston Martin, therefore probably knows Lawrence pretty well?Lawerence only seems interested in hiring the best and Toto is surely on his wish list.
Toto personally owns a third of the Mercedes team. He's not going to another team.
Toto must have felt it worth doing for some reason, could be wild speculation on my part or could be Toto minding his future prospects. He's looking down the barrel of two bad seasons at the head of a team that is used to strolling to championships, I think its naive to assume he cannot be ousted if Mercedes see fit.
Toto is one of the most successful team principals ever. He owns a third of the Mercedes team. He has credit in abundance from 8 championships on the bounce.
Is he untouchable? No-one is in this world but it’ll take a lot more than a season or two of “failure” for him to be in any kind of jeopardy.
Remember, this game is cyclical. No-one wins year-on-year forever. 8 years on the bounce was unprecedented. It had to end at some point.
Frank Williams oversaw leaner years after immense success.
So did Ron Dennis
So did Jean Todt
So did Colin Chapman
Heck, so did Christian Horner.
Toto knows this. Mercedes know this.
pablo said:
MCBrowncoat said:
sociopath said:
MCBrowncoat said:
sociopath said:
pablo said:
Milkyway said:
MrBig said:
phil1979 said:
Even though McLaren are my team and they look woeful so far, I will keep watching as I am not a massive fanny.
Nailed it! Ditto.Lando’s Ginetta Junior & F4 days seem such a long time ago now.
Going to enjoy & see how the new blood progresses over the years.
But IF Hamilton does win his eighth title... we will still get the ’ninth really’ brigade bleating on.
Edited by Milkyway on Monday 6th March 16:34
tting in their shoes, when they stop passing in our Bovril….”I see, it's absolutely everywhere
Several people on here I think need a good hug
Muzzer79 said:
patmahe said:
Muzzer79 said:
patmahe said:
I did see Toto Wolff stop and interview with Ted Kravitz to go and congratulate Lawerence Stroll, the two embraced quite emphatically especially considering Mercedes had just had their arses handed to them by a customer team, it did make me wonder if Toto has one eye on the exit door at Mercedes and will wind up at Aston in the not too distant future.
Lawerence only seems interested in hiring the best and Toto is surely on his wish list.
Nothing to do with the fact then that Toto has a 5% financial stake in Aston Martin, therefore probably knows Lawrence pretty well?Lawerence only seems interested in hiring the best and Toto is surely on his wish list.
Toto personally owns a third of the Mercedes team. He's not going to another team.
Toto must have felt it worth doing for some reason, could be wild speculation on my part or could be Toto minding his future prospects. He's looking down the barrel of two bad seasons at the head of a team that is used to strolling to championships, I think its naive to assume he cannot be ousted if Mercedes see fit.
Toto is one of the most successful team principals ever. He owns a third of the Mercedes team. He has credit in abundance from 8 championships on the bounce.
Is he untouchable? No-one is in this world but it’ll take a lot more than a season or two of “failure” for him to be in any kind of jeopardy.
Remember, this game is cyclical. No-one wins year-on-year forever. 8 years on the bounce was unprecedented. It had to end at some point.
Frank Williams oversaw leaner years after immense success.
So did Ron Dennis
So did Jean Todt
So did Colin Chapman
Heck, so did Christian Horner.
Toto knows this. Mercedes know this.
If the upcoming update isn't a silver bullet moment then they've already said they'll change their core concept. Toto's clearly taking it all seriously as he should do.
They're just a mostly stupidly successful team that for this season and last are third not first. The only reason it's blown up into the big deal it has is because millions of people have been desperate for this time to come.. which is fair enough I suppose, and Toto and team must always have known on the day they slipped, a lot of people would be delighted and stick the daggers in.
oyster said:
hilly10 said:
gt_12345 said:
I really do wonder if the drivers' championship should have a separate race, using an identical, standard car and the constructor's championship being based on the teams' cars. So two races each weekend.
100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
Always said that would be a great addition to the weekend racing, never happen though.100% guarantee the racing would be exciting in the identical cars. And it wouldn't be expensive as the cars would be identical.
10 independent teams are never going to design 10 different cars, all finishing within 45 seconds in a race. There's too many variables.
How many cars on Sunday finished within 45 seconds of the winner? 2/3? Out of 20.
So you will never really get true racing, except once a rule change has lasted 5/6 years and the teams converge.
gt_12345 said:
I proposed two competitions, constructors and drivers. The constructors would be F1 as it is now. The only addition is a second race with F1 drivers in the same car. Can't see why having both is such a problem.
10 independent teams are never going to design 10 different cars, all finishing within 45 seconds in a race. There's too many variables.
How many cars on Sunday finished within 45 seconds of the winner? 2/3? Out of 20.
So you will never really get true racing, except once a rule change has lasted 5/6 years and the teams converge.
The entire field (bar Norris) was covered by a little over two minutes at Bahrain, in a 94-minute race. Call it 2.5% difference between the fastest and slowest cars. That’s astonishing close, by any historical or modern standards, in a race without a safety car. The field spread is less now than it’s ever been, despite the fact we have ten totally different-looking cars lining up at the start. 10 independent teams are never going to design 10 different cars, all finishing within 45 seconds in a race. There's too many variables.
How many cars on Sunday finished within 45 seconds of the winner? 2/3? Out of 20.
So you will never really get true racing, except once a rule change has lasted 5/6 years and the teams converge.
I don’t like the obvious dodgy manipulation of rules and results like ‘21 closer, and the 1mm rear wing bks etc
In the past there was bit of joshing about ferrari international assistance, but now the manipulation is on another level.
I only watch the Ch4 highlights, the whole live reach is too long. But I’m not really invested in the results as all this ‘show’ bullst is pretty appalling.
ks etcIn the past there was bit of joshing about ferrari international assistance, but now the manipulation is on another level.
I only watch the Ch4 highlights, the whole live reach is too long. But I’m not really invested in the results as all this ‘show’ bulls
t is pretty appalling.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff