Official 2023 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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PhilAsia said:
suffolk009 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Aids0G said:
Blimey Andrew Benson in the BBC Sport coverage claiming he believes Mercedes will not win another championship until 2026 at the earliest and that liberty media will push the FIA for rule changes if the gaps don't reduce by mid season, punchy stuff.
As I posted in another thread, it took Newey nine years and two (sort of) engine swaps to win another constructors after 2013."This is likely why there was a belief that Red Bull would suffer the most when it comes to the new regulations, as the diagonal floor cutout removes some of the aerodynamic tools it has been using over the last few years to create that 'seal'."
"If you look at it objectively it seems that both short wheelbase/high rake and long wheelbase/low rake philosophies are going to take a hit then."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-f1s-2021-fl...
"Teams such as Red Bull might have more work to do with a high-rake philosophy less suited to the new-spec floors"
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do...
Go watch the Sky Sports Launch video for the W12, James Allison himself is asked point-blank whether the reg changes will harm them or RB more and he says he genuinely has absolutely no idea.
Then go check the dates on articles suggesting that the regs hurt Merc more - all of them after the cars first ran in 2021 and the pecking order made itself known. Funny really. The changes were a direct response to the cars getting so fast that the tyres were blowing up, nothing more nothing less.
oobster said:
My thoughts too, there were a couple of times I winced during FP2 with a car on a hot lap coming across another car on a cool down lap. Are they going to wait until there is a major accident until they do something?
They have done something.. pulled the walls back by 7m on several corners to improve sight lines and increase run off.Sandpit Steve said:
honda_exige said:
Oh and just want to add to others that Bernie Collins is an absolute star.
Great to have someone technical with recent experience.
Anyone know why she left Aston? Was it to pursue broadcasting or did Aston move her on?
She decided to leave last year. Great to have someone technical with recent experience.
Anyone know why she left Aston? Was it to pursue broadcasting or did Aston move her on?
As with Angela Cullen, discussed on another thread, F1 pays well but you don’t have a life at all, constantly travelling and working 24 hours a day. Eventually, you decide you’ve had enough of it.
The media work will likely pay well too, but for three days at a time. She can fly home Sunday night and know she’s getting a lie in on Monday, rather than an 8am strategy debrief meeting.
According to linkedin, she has her own consultancy business, so maybe missed F1, and decided to top up the ££ with a broadcasting gig.
She's already very interesting to listen too, but is going to be great the more comfortable she gets in the role.
Derek Smith said:
It's always been that a good season is when we get two or three races that are good or better. It's F1. If it bores (the universal) you, what on earth are you doing watching? And, much more importantly, what are you doing posting you are bored?
A good season is one where there are only two or three good races? If that were true nobody would be watching. As far as I’m concerned, a good season needs a battle for the WDC. Yes there is often (more often than not) good midfield racing but but that is secondary to the fight for the race/championship win.
sandman77 said:
As far as I’m concerned, a good season needs a battle for the WDC. Yes there is often (more often than not) good midfield racing but but that is secondary to the fight for the race/championship win.
When you've been following F1 as long as Derek and I have, you know that such a thing is a luxury and if that is your yardstick for good F1 then you're probably going to be disappointed. 
As Derek says, a dominant team in any one year is the norm rather than the exception.
oobster said:
My thoughts too, there were a couple of times I winced during FP2 with a car on a hot lap coming across another car on a cool down lap. Are they going to wait until there is a major accident until they do something?
The pit wall need to be on the ball telling slow drivers who is coming up behind them. Very apt that the Villeneuve and Pironi documentary is out tonight.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
sandman77 said:
As far as I’m concerned, a good season needs a battle for the WDC. Yes there is often (more often than not) good midfield racing but but that is secondary to the fight for the race/championship win.
When you've been following F1 as long as Derek and I have, you know that such a thing is a luxury and if that is your yardstick for good F1 then you're probably going to be disappointed. As Derek says, a dominant team in any one year is the norm rather than the exception.
Hard to see past Red Bull until '26... Let hope they sign Lando and let them go at it.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-explai...
Looks like Hamilton took the decision to move Cullen away, is this him remodelling the team to his liking or is it a sign of more changes to come?
I would be very interested to see if she has a gardening leave period in her contract
Looks like Hamilton took the decision to move Cullen away, is this him remodelling the team to his liking or is it a sign of more changes to come?
I would be very interested to see if she has a gardening leave period in her contract
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
suffolk009 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Aids0G said:
Blimey Andrew Benson in the BBC Sport coverage claiming he believes Mercedes will not win another championship until 2026 at the earliest and that liberty media will push the FIA for rule changes if the gaps don't reduce by mid season, punchy stuff.
As I posted in another thread, it took Newey nine years and two (sort of) engine swaps to win another constructors after 2013."This is likely why there was a belief that Red Bull would suffer the most when it comes to the new regulations, as the diagonal floor cutout removes some of the aerodynamic tools it has been using over the last few years to create that 'seal'."
"If you look at it objectively it seems that both short wheelbase/high rake and long wheelbase/low rake philosophies are going to take a hit then."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-f1s-2021-fl...
"Teams such as Red Bull might have more work to do with a high-rake philosophy less suited to the new-spec floors"
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do...
Go watch the Sky Sports Launch video for the W12, James Allison himself is asked point-blank whether the reg changes will harm them or RB more and he says he genuinely has absolutely no idea.
Then go check the dates on articles suggesting that the regs hurt Merc more - all of them after the cars first ran in 2021 and the pecking order made itself known. Funny really. The changes were a direct response to the cars getting so fast that the tyres were blowing up, nothing more nothing less.
2021: Revised aero introduced. Which nobody knew who it would affect, but just-so-happened to affect MB.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
When you've been following F1 as long as Derek and I have, you know that such a thing is a luxury and if that is your yardstick for good F1 then you're probably going to be disappointed.
As Derek says, a dominant team in any one year is the norm rather than the exception.
That’s the most condescending thing anyone has said to me for quite some time. For info I have watched every GP for the last 28 years and have attended dozens in person (all over the world). As Derek says, a dominant team in any one year is the norm rather than the exception.
Years where there gas been a genuine WDC battle since I have been watching are-
94 - battle between Schumacher and hill
96 - Schumacher and hill
98 - Schumacher and Häkkinen
99 - Häkkinen and Irvine (Schumacher broke his leg)
03 - Schumacher and Häkkinen
08 - Hamilton and Massa
09 - button and Vettel
10 - Vettel and Alonso
12 - Vettel and Alonso
16 - Rosberg and Hamilton
21 - Verstappen and Hamilton
Outwith these seasons there are plenty others where there has been more than two or three good races per year.
PhilAsia said:
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
suffolk009 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Aids0G said:
Blimey Andrew Benson in the BBC Sport coverage claiming he believes Mercedes will not win another championship until 2026 at the earliest and that liberty media will push the FIA for rule changes if the gaps don't reduce by mid season, punchy stuff.
As I posted in another thread, it took Newey nine years and two (sort of) engine swaps to win another constructors after 2013."This is likely why there was a belief that Red Bull would suffer the most when it comes to the new regulations, as the diagonal floor cutout removes some of the aerodynamic tools it has been using over the last few years to create that 'seal'."
"If you look at it objectively it seems that both short wheelbase/high rake and long wheelbase/low rake philosophies are going to take a hit then."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-f1s-2021-fl...
"Teams such as Red Bull might have more work to do with a high-rake philosophy less suited to the new-spec floors"
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do...
Go watch the Sky Sports Launch video for the W12, James Allison himself is asked point-blank whether the reg changes will harm them or RB more and he says he genuinely has absolutely no idea.
Then go check the dates on articles suggesting that the regs hurt Merc more - all of them after the cars first ran in 2021 and the pecking order made itself known. Funny really. The changes were a direct response to the cars getting so fast that the tyres were blowing up, nothing more nothing less.
2021: Revised aero introduced. Which nobody knew who it would affect, but just-so-happened to affect MB.
Or maybe as we're seeing now again but even more so, since the big Merc brain drain around 2019 onwards they just don't cope with regulatory changes very well.
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
suffolk009 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Aids0G said:
Blimey Andrew Benson in the BBC Sport coverage claiming he believes Mercedes will not win another championship until 2026 at the earliest and that liberty media will push the FIA for rule changes if the gaps don't reduce by mid season, punchy stuff.
As I posted in another thread, it took Newey nine years and two (sort of) engine swaps to win another constructors after 2013."This is likely why there was a belief that Red Bull would suffer the most when it comes to the new regulations, as the diagonal floor cutout removes some of the aerodynamic tools it has been using over the last few years to create that 'seal'."
"If you look at it objectively it seems that both short wheelbase/high rake and long wheelbase/low rake philosophies are going to take a hit then."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-f1s-2021-fl...
"Teams such as Red Bull might have more work to do with a high-rake philosophy less suited to the new-spec floors"
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do...
Go watch the Sky Sports Launch video for the W12, James Allison himself is asked point-blank whether the reg changes will harm them or RB more and he says he genuinely has absolutely no idea.
Then go check the dates on articles suggesting that the regs hurt Merc more - all of them after the cars first ran in 2021 and the pecking order made itself known. Funny really. The changes were a direct response to the cars getting so fast that the tyres were blowing up, nothing more nothing less.
2021: Revised aero introduced. Which nobody knew who it would affect, but just-so-happened to affect MB.
Or maybe as we're seeing now again but even more so, since the big Merc brain drain around 2019 onwards they just don't cope with regulatory changes very well.
sandman77 said:
That’s the most condescending thing anyone has said to me for quite some time. For info I have watched every GP for the last 28 years and have attended dozens in person (all over the world).
If you feel it was condescending, you need to post something positive about a race where there was no challenge for the leadership beyond the first corner.I'm not into willy-waving, but my first GP was 1966. Get some in.
honda_exige said:
Sigh.
That's patronising; and self-aggrandisement.Edited by Derek Smith on Saturday 18th March 11:57
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
suffolk009 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Aids0G said:
Blimey Andrew Benson in the BBC Sport coverage claiming he believes Mercedes will not win another championship until 2026 at the earliest and that liberty media will push the FIA for rule changes if the gaps don't reduce by mid season, punchy stuff.
As I posted in another thread, it took Newey nine years and two (sort of) engine swaps to win another constructors after 2013."This is likely why there was a belief that Red Bull would suffer the most when it comes to the new regulations, as the diagonal floor cutout removes some of the aerodynamic tools it has been using over the last few years to create that 'seal'."
"If you look at it objectively it seems that both short wheelbase/high rake and long wheelbase/low rake philosophies are going to take a hit then."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-f1s-2021-fl...
"Teams such as Red Bull might have more work to do with a high-rake philosophy less suited to the new-spec floors"
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do...
Go watch the Sky Sports Launch video for the W12, James Allison himself is asked point-blank whether the reg changes will harm them or RB more and he says he genuinely has absolutely no idea.
Then go check the dates on articles suggesting that the regs hurt Merc more - all of them after the cars first ran in 2021 and the pecking order made itself known. Funny really. The changes were a direct response to the cars getting so fast that the tyres were blowing up, nothing more nothing less.
2021: Revised aero introduced. Which nobody knew who it would affect, but just-so-happened to affect MB.
Or maybe as we're seeing now again but even more so, since the big Merc brain drain around 2019 onwards they just don't cope with regulatory changes very well.
maybe
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