Official 2023 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Murghee]

Another race im glad i didnt watch live...was interesting upto the nonsense safety car then i just read the forum and didnt bother watching anymore

No matter what penalties or engine failures red bull they will still be 1 & 2 each race either by sheer speed or the fia creating fake drama to get the red bulls up the grid. Cant blame red bull they built an amazing car.

No matter how many times sky try to hype up mercedes and how 'the future will be good as merc are changing concept' the merca will be no where near red bull until maybe next season.

Was worried this was going to happen before testing where merc messed up and there would be no contest for 1st place...another season to skip through to next year.

Also love how netflix made so much drama about mclaren taken oscar from alpine and how they made nick de vries look like the second coming for alpha tauri it jesus....look at them two now.

Think some people are right our F1 is being influenced by netflix and american sports creating fake drama which all started from 2021..such a shame

Guess only danny ric is the only one smiling now or rolling on the floor laughing with his £20m worth of mclaren bank notes....

[rscott]

honda_exige said:

rscott said:

honda_exige said:

GiantCardboardPlato said:

Frimley111R said:

FourWheelDrift said:

As Mike Krack says the rules say you cannot "work" on the car. Even if the jack was touching they were not doing working on the car.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/16375371447...

Touching it is considered working on it. AM messed up there, what part of the 'Do not touch the car for 5 seconds' did the jack guy not understand??!! Idiot.

All good but where is the proof the jack was touching the car?

Reasonable to assume that the jacks were touching the car during Hamiltons penalty at Silverstone in 21 and was fine. So if 'working' isn't specifically defined somewhere than the FIA have an issue.

https://m.youtube.com/clip/UgkxwWBENaJ35jGrxseAlc1...

They applied exactly the same criteria as last race - touching the car means a penalty.

Just like Zhou got a penalty last year when they lifted his car - https://the-race.com/formula-1/miscommunication-le...

No, Ocon was actively working - the wing screws started being unwound 0.4 seconds too early.

Zhou's car was lifted - that is actively working.

Alonso was passive 'touching' - if that, and without a contact sensor can you conclusively say the jack touched the car?

Suspension sensors would show if the car was lifted at all.

[rscott]

thatsprettyshady said:

Deesee said:

GiantCardboardPlato said:

Frimley111R said:

FourWheelDrift said:

As Mike Krack says the rules say you cannot "work" on the car. Even if the jack was touching they were not doing working on the car.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/16375371447...

Touching it is considered working on it. AM messed up there, what part of the 'Do not touch the car for 5 seconds' did the jack guy not understand??!! Idiot.

All good but where is the proof the jack was touching the car?

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https://twitter.com/F1/status/1637550508880826368?...

There you go, however the FIA have up to 25 min to deliver notification of a penalty, its been timed at 30 mins..

FIA eh!

First year its been policed, Hamilton had a 10 sec stop front and rear jacks in place and off the ground.

No they dont, they have 25min to notify of a decision to penalise.

Plus it's not the first year either - Zhou was penalised last year.

[Jon_Bmw]

If you think of the process of lifting the car up the penalty for touching the car makes more sense.

1) car slides into stop line
2) rear jack man tucks in behind car
3) car stops
4) jack man inserts jack until it stops (hits rear diffuser)
5) jack man lifts

If the jack man hadn't done step 4 he would be in theory slower with his process steps.

I suspect a clarification will come out in the future about no-one, or any tool being allowed to touch the car.

I don't particularly like the rule, but if they have concrete evidence of the jack touching it's a slam dunk.

[Vanden Saab]

Jon_Bmw said:

If you think of the process of lifting the car up the penalty for touching the car makes more sense.

1) car slides into stop line
2) rear jack man tucks in behind car
3) car stops
4) jack man inserts jack until it stops (hits rear diffuser)
5) jack man lifts

If the jack man hadn't done step 4 he would be in theory slower with his process steps.

I suspect a clarification will come out in the future about no-one, or any tool being allowed to touch the car.

I don't particularly like the rule, but if they have concrete evidence of the jack touching it's a slam dunk.

There is a reason they do not put the wrenches on the wheel nuts.

[The Brummie]

It shouldn't have taken 30 odd laps to apply the penalty.

I wonder who went crying to the stewards & at what point did the crying start?

Normally I would blame Red Bull ( I have a pathological hatred of them) however on this occasion I don't see them being the guilty party.

Seems strange that it took the stewards so long to hand out the penalty.

[Deesee]

Looks like its been overturned..

Then its not!

Edited by Deesee on Sunday 19th March 21:41

[SmoothCriminal]

Wasn't any team.

[wpa1975]

Dull race and unfortunately this season is going to be one to miss unless you a committed RB fan, hats off to them whatever they are doing or found works but nobody is getting near that pace until the rules change again.

[rscott]

SmoothCriminal said:

Wasn't any team.

So all the teams knew that touching the car would mean a penalty.

[Leithen]

Deesee said:

Looks like its been overturned..

Then its not!

Edited by Deesee on Sunday 19th March 21:41

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...

It was agreed that touching the car constitutes working on the car, however the car wasn't disqualified because although the car was touched, no work was done...

FIA at its finest!

[Deesee]

I wonder who may have emailed Race Control...

[rscott]

Explanation from Craig Scarborough as to why there's a penalty for not being in the correct grid position - the jump start sensors might not work.
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/163753047977...

[Deesee]

Deesee said:

Looks like its been overturned..

Then its not!

Edited by Deesee on Sunday 19th March 21:41

Now its back, Alonso 3rd...

[Sycamore]

What a farce

Good on George for saying he shouldn't have been on the podium also

[Pebbles167]

Still showing as Russel 3rd on F1, but many sources saying Alonso reinstated.

Wonder how that happened, seemed like a slam dunk.

Either way, Alonso deserved it, solid drive.

[FourWheelDrift]

[cgt2]

Good. Nando drove a great race.

[Leithen]

Impressed they could find the video evidence of other jacks touching so quickly. It also suggests a discrepancy between the SAC minutes and the Race Director / Sporting Director statements, which is awkward.

Common sense eventually thankfully.

[Diderot]

The Vambo said:

Diderot said:

I’m sure Piastri is regretting moving to McLaren right now.

I bet he isn't.

I’m sure he and Mark Webber are both absolutely over the moon that he’s currently the arse end of nowhere in a dog of a car when the team that helped him get into F1 had their drivers in 8th and 10th. Not (Andrea) Stella(r) but still at least scoring points. Let’s hope Macca can turn this around quickly. This is a disaster for them.