Official 2023 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Leithen said:
Impressed they could find the video evidence of other jacks touching so quickly. It also suggests a discrepancy between the SAC minutes and the Race Director / Sporting Director statements, which is awkward.
Common sense eventually thankfully.
I expect AM knew that a penalty would be incoming (same way that Merc knew), and so got some of their team, presumably back at home base, to comb through previous races to pull the info out. I expect some of the pit crew would probably be able to point out previous occurrences too.Common sense eventually thankfully.
Little bit farcical though, the is he / isn't he / is he situation.
Leithen said:
Impressed they could find the video evidence of other jacks touching so quickly. It also suggests a discrepancy between the SAC minutes and the Race Director / Sporting Director statements, which is awkward.
Common sense eventually thankfully.
It's all very tiresome and frustrating. Why did they even bother to refer this to the stewards in the first instance if they can't even be confident in what was discussed/agreed and that was what they based the earlier decision upon? Why even go there? And why on earth does the fact that lots of other evidence has been found of other teams doing the same thing back when it wasn't being policed and also before the more recent, supposed, agreements took place as to what constitutes 'work' suddenly have a bearing on this decision? Some truly hard to stomach penalties (or lack of..) have been upheld despite decades of evidence showing the rules being repeatedly applied in a completely different manner. Common sense eventually thankfully.
Such a f
king pointless issue in the first place, no one was asking for it to be penalised or even looked into, they have taken action when they didn't need to do so, were not properly equipped to do so, they now look like a bunch of idiots.This is one area where the sport certainly is not managing to lean more towards a new American audience - find me a NASCAR viewer that's giving F1 a chance right now that would be anything other than dumbfounded by a sport that issues multiple conflicting statements and they eventually concedes they're not entirely sure what was agreed in the first place so they'll have to just forget the entire matter
Note to the FIA: Ahead of announcing you're going to be actively clamping down on something, get your ducks in a row for once.
Strange how the FIA can tell there is a jack touching the car yet cant see a car parked up out of harms way even with all the cameras showing...
Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
Z3MCJez said:
Pretty dull race, surprising only because Checo kept a 4-5s gap on Max throughout the final stint. But the Red Bull is a monster of a car and nobody’s coming close to it this year. And despite today, Max will run away with it over the course of a season.
Perhaps Max was told to maintain position?#PHMindBlown
If this is sadly shaping upto be a season where the sport itself might not be at it's finest, why would the FIA choose to make following the sport even less satisfying by deciding to clamp down on such minutia in that same season.
Conversation at FIA towers: "This season seems like a bit of a foregone conclusion, perhaps we could hold off our plans to bring a new and very boring focus on the exact definition of car touching in the first fraction of a second of a time penalty?" - "Yes, yes we could hold that off. But we have an agreement , this is what we have planned so we'll crack on regardless"
.... "oh fk, we actually don't have the agreement we thought we did 
"
Conversation at FIA towers: "This season seems like a bit of a foregone conclusion, perhaps we could hold off our plans to bring a new and very boring focus on the exact definition of car touching in the first fraction of a second of a time penalty?" - "Yes, yes we could hold that off. But we have an agreement , this is what we have planned so we'll crack on regardless"
.... "oh f
k, we actually don't have the agreement we thought we did "peter tdci said:
Z3MCJez said:
Pretty dull race, surprising only because Checo kept a 4-5s gap on Max throughout the final stint. But the Red Bull is a monster of a car and nobody’s coming close to it this year. And despite today, Max will run away with it over the course of a season.
Perhaps Max was told to maintain position?#PHMindBlown
The team directed both drivers to allow Max the shot at fastest lap, beyond that they did what was right and bought them both home as slowly and safely as possible, both in the positions they had earned on equal merit during the race.
If Max was 10 races in and level pegging with another team's driver then they would have asked Checo to play ball, and Checo would have, stubbornly, understood that reality I expect.
Murghee said:
Strange how the FIA can tell there is a jack touching the car yet cant see a car parked up out of harms way even with all the cameras showing...
Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
'on the track' means within the perimeter walls, not literally within track limits. And when the cameras finally got him on screen you could see maybe 20cm of the car was beyond the open section of the wall. Apparently no CCTV covered that exact section and on a track like Saudi, any uncertainty you through an SC given how fast cars will be arriving on the scene. Though not sure why VSC wasn't called 1st. Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
Hamilton saying the RB is the most dominant car he's ever seen.
Gave me a little chuckle that he'd forget 2014 and 2016 already. Spain 2014 they lapped every car up to 6th!
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-2023-red-b...
Gave me a little chuckle that he'd forget 2014 and 2016 already. Spain 2014 they lapped every car up to 6th!
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-2023-red-b...
honda_exige said:
Murghee said:
Strange how the FIA can tell there is a jack touching the car yet cant see a car parked up out of harms way even with all the cameras showing...
Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
'on the track' means within the perimeter walls, not literally within track limits. And when the cameras finally got him on screen you could see maybe 20cm of the car was beyond the open section of the wall. Apparently no CCTV covered that exact section and on a track like Saudi, any uncertainty you through an SC given how fast cars will be arriving on the scene. Though not sure why VSC wasn't called 1st. Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
I'm not a conspiracy theorist - but as a realist... They can choose at will and justify the decision for a VSC or SC on many a level. That choice has the potential to manipulate the outcome of a race so I simply don't accept that those making the decision are entirely disconnected from pressures to deliver the best show as a result of that choice.
honda_exige said:
Hamilton saying the RB is the most dominant car he's ever seen.
Gave me a little chuckle that he'd forget 2014 and 2016 already. Spain 2014 they lapped every car up to 6th!
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-2023-red-b...
He didn't see those cars though. He just saw all the other cars, some of them several times in one race Gave me a little chuckle that he'd forget 2014 and 2016 already. Spain 2014 they lapped every car up to 6th!
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-2023-red-b...
Murghee said:
Strange how the FIA can tell there is a jack touching the car yet cant see a car parked up out of harms way even with all the cameras showing...
Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
Every part of the circuit is covered by TV cameras and no doubt other fixed CCTV. In the time it took to call the safety car are we to really believe someone was just looking at a GPS screen? Really hope the gps reason is legitimate and not an excuse for calling a safety car to try and dramatise the race
If the gps is legitimate then what sort of crap gps do they have??
That was a completely pointless safety car. Barely even needed yellow flags!
Credit to Stroll, for once a driver who actually pulls off the circuit instead of sailing past an exit point.
PhilAsia said:
Max studying his navel as Checo explains why he was asked not to go for fastest lap on better tyres is painful.
edit: can watch this if you do not live in the yUK.
edit: can watch this if you do not live in the yUK.
RBR are beyond ruthless in their determination for Max to win. It really is impressive, in its own way.
Fascinating stuff.
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