Official 2023 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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LM240 said:
Every part of the circuit is covered by TV cameras and no doubt other fixed CCTV. In the time it took to call the safety car are we to really believe someone was just looking at a GPS screen?
That was a completely pointless safety car. Barely even needed yellow flags!
Credit to Stroll, for once a driver who actually pulls off the circuit instead of sailing past an exit point.
There should also be an observer at each marshal post, talking to the Clerk of the Course. That was a completely pointless safety car. Barely even needed yellow flags!
Credit to Stroll, for once a driver who actually pulls off the circuit instead of sailing past an exit point.
As soon as Stroll’s car had actually stopped, I would have withdrawn the yellow flag, as it was clearly behind the Armco as viewed from the racing line. The driver did exactly the right thing, in looking for the indicated gap in the fence and driving through it.
Hope no-one had a bet on there being no safety car, I imagine it would have been 10/1 or thereabouts.
Blib said:
PhilAsia said:
Max studying his navel as Checo explains why he was asked not to go for fastest lap on better tyres is painful.
edit: can watch this if you do not live in the yUK.
edit: can watch this if you do not live in the yUK.
RBR are beyond ruthless in their determination for Max to win. It really is impressive, in its own way.
Fascinating stuff.
Sandpit Steve said:
LM240 said:
Every part of the circuit is covered by TV cameras and no doubt other fixed CCTV. In the time it took to call the safety car are we to really believe someone was just looking at a GPS screen?
That was a completely pointless safety car. Barely even needed yellow flags!
Credit to Stroll, for once a driver who actually pulls off the circuit instead of sailing past an exit point.
There should also be an observer at each marshal post, talking to the Clerk of the Course. That was a completely pointless safety car. Barely even needed yellow flags!
Credit to Stroll, for once a driver who actually pulls off the circuit instead of sailing past an exit point.
As soon as Stroll’s car had actually stopped, I would have withdrawn the yellow flag, as it was clearly behind the Armco as viewed from the racing line. The driver did exactly the right thing, in looking for the indicated gap in the fence and driving through it.
Hope no-one had a bet on there being no safety car, I imagine it would have been 10/1 or thereabouts.
Blib said:
PhilAsia said:
Max studying his navel as Checo explains why he was asked not to go for fastest lap on better tyres is painful.
edit: can watch this if you do not live in the yUK.
edit: can watch this if you do not live in the yUK.
RBR are beyond ruthless in their determination for Max to win. It really is impressive, in its own way.
Fascinating stuff.
Radio transcript below, Checo never even asked to go for fastest lap so ergo, wasn't told not to go for it.
And as Horner said, Checo made an attempt for fastest lap of his own volition, screwed up sector 1 and abandoned the attempt.
Checo is a clever chap, he seems to intentionally play the victim card to engender support.
Also shows that RB weren't asking him to go slower than Max, they asked for a 32.6, the same laptime as Max.
Edited by honda_exige on Monday 20th March 08:25
Red9zero said:
GiantCardboardPlato said:
I dont understand what the perceived benefit of being slightly out of position laterally is.
Same here. I know it's the law etc, but it's still annoying. Fred took the news well though.Fiestapop11 said:
Red9zero said:
GiantCardboardPlato said:
I dont understand what the perceived benefit of being slightly out of position laterally is.
Same here. I know it's the law etc, but it's still annoying. Fred took the news well though.I’ll go with “There’s a box drawn on the ground, and the rules state that the car must be inside it when the lights go out, otherwise you get a penalty”.
honda_exige said:
Watching your hate boners for RB and Max really is entertaining
Radio transcript below, Checo never even asked to go for fastest lap so ergo, wasn't told not to go for it.
And as Horner said, Checo made an attempt for fastest lap of his own volition, screwed up sector 1 and abandoned the attempt.
Checo is a clever chap, he seems to intentionally play the victim card to engender support.
And there is the problem. Radio transcript below, Checo never even asked to go for fastest lap so ergo, wasn't told not to go for it.
And as Horner said, Checo made an attempt for fastest lap of his own volition, screwed up sector 1 and abandoned the attempt.
Checo is a clever chap, he seems to intentionally play the victim card to engender support.
- also shows that RB weren't asking him to go slower than Max, they asked for a 32.6, the same laptime as Max.
I'm no RBR hater. Nor do I have anything against Max. I admire RBR's ruthlessness. All I did was comment on a link provided by another poster.
It's you of the 'football fan' outlook that ruins this and every other F1 thread, with your ranty little jibes at anyone who offers an opinion that in your utterly biased mindset is somehow critical of RBR.
It really, really is tiresome for the rest of us. That goes for the Merc. fanbois too.
Now, please go and hug yourself with glee, then calm down a bit and let me reflect on McLaren's woeful perfomance.
Thanks.
Oh, I forgot ----->
said:
I, and probably the whole world, knew that Max was going for the FL when he backed off for the last lap charge. Maybe that info could have been given to Checo.
And perhaps I am wrong. Max seemed somewhat subdued, so perhaps he was unaware too.
I have no hate for Max btw, nor RBR, just unsporting behavior. Both are exemplary when they choose to be.
Edit: this is in reply to HondaExige. For some reason the quote is not there.
Edited by PhilAsia on Monday 20th March 08:37
Edited by PhilAsia on Monday 20th March 08:39
I think the passion gets the better of us, it is good that we can still be passionate though. Imagine the drivers with all the adrenalin !
I watch and listen now to the F1 Live timing screen and now they have the F1TV commentary team which are far better than Sky and also extra radio broadcasts and I did hear all those broadcasts live.
It did seem that RB wanted neither driver risking any more attempts at fastest lap, especially with reported gremlins. So they fudged on telling Max on saying he had it but told Checo directly.
Of course Max put his thinking cap on and deduced that they would have told him he had it if he had ...
RB seemed rather team orientated rather than driver in that regard.
I watch and listen now to the F1 Live timing screen and now they have the F1TV commentary team which are far better than Sky and also extra radio broadcasts and I did hear all those broadcasts live.
It did seem that RB wanted neither driver risking any more attempts at fastest lap, especially with reported gremlins. So they fudged on telling Max on saying he had it but told Checo directly.
Of course Max put his thinking cap on and deduced that they would have told him he had it if he had ...
RB seemed rather team orientated rather than driver in that regard.
Not sure I agree there based on events in the last year or two but Truth be told there wasnt a lot Checo could do about fastest lap. On lap 58, they said he had it but he will have known that Max would go for it so he either goes hard on the final lap too and risk binning it or just sits back and hopes that Max doesn’t get it. I can’t see anything untoward about it. Hell it’s not like had Checo been leading the championship this morning they’d have suddenly backed him for the title!
pablo said:
Not sure I agree there based on events in the last year or two but Truth be told there wasnt a lot Checo could do about fastest lap. On lap 58, they said he had it but he will have known that Max would go for it so he either goes hard on the final lap too and risk binning it or just sits back and hopes that Max doesn’t get it. I can’t see anything untoward about it. Hell it’s not like had Checo been leading the championship this morning they’d have suddenly backed him for the title!
I think Checo was happy to stand on the top step in the circumstances, and that his team didn’t play any shenanigans so early in the season. Blib said:
And there is the problem.
I'm no RBR hater. Nor do I have anything against Max. I admire RBR's ruthlessness. All I did was comment on a link provided by another poster.
It's you of the 'football fan' outlook that ruins this and every other F1 thread, with your ranty little jibes at anyone who offers an opinion that in your utterly biased mindset is somehow critical of RBR.
It really, really is tiresome for the rest of us. That goes for the Merc. fanbois too.
Now, please go and hug yourself with glee, then calm down a bit and let me reflect on McLaren's woeful perfomance.
Thanks.
Oh, I forgot ----->
Not sure where the rant was there but heyho. I'm no RBR hater. Nor do I have anything against Max. I admire RBR's ruthlessness. All I did was comment on a link provided by another poster.
It's you of the 'football fan' outlook that ruins this and every other F1 thread, with your ranty little jibes at anyone who offers an opinion that in your utterly biased mindset is somehow critical of RBR.
It really, really is tiresome for the rest of us. That goes for the Merc. fanbois too.
Now, please go and hug yourself with glee, then calm down a bit and let me reflect on McLaren's woeful perfomance.
Thanks.
Oh, I forgot ----->
Opinions based on misinformation are there to be corrected.
You're obviously free to interpret your own post how you wish but to me it looked like someone seizing any small opportunity to confirm their internal world view.
RE: McLaren, its gone relatively unnoticed that Piastri only pitted once, on lap 1 for hards that he then made last the entire race catching and passing Norris in the process who was on much fresher tyres. A small glimmer of happiness for McLaren that maybe, Piastri is the real deal.
pablo said:
Not sure I agree there based on events in the last year or two but Truth be told there wasnt a lot Checo could do about fastest lap. On lap 58, they said he had it but he will have known that Max would go for it so he either goes hard on the final lap too and risk binning it or just sits back and hopes that Max doesn’t get it. I can’t see anything untoward about it. Hell it’s not like had Checo been leading the championship this morning they’d have suddenly backed him for the title!
I was thinking about this when watching the race.We saw Max dropped off by about 2 seconds when preparing for the final lap (gap went from ~5 to ~7 seconds) presumably cooling the tyres a little and recharging the battery etc.
Perez wasn't really in a position to do this, if he suddenly started dropping back a couple of seconds, he'd bring himself closer to Max, which isn't ideal as it's an unnecessary risk.
He also already has the fastest lap, he knows Max hasn't been gaining on him, and Max's tyres will be in a similar (or possibly worse given the following after the safety car) state than his. So there is a possibility that Max won't get fastest lap if he goes for it anyway.
There is also the risk / chance for either driver when "going for it" that there's a mistake and a wall is clipped etc. and suddenly either Perez is throwing away 25 points if he makes a mistake or he's gaining an 18 point lead if Max makes a mistake.
Then finally based on the entire weekend leading up to the race, there is the fact Max has been almost half a second faster than him, so if they do both go for the fastest lap, he must expect there's a fair chance Max will get it.
WIth those things in mind, it seems fairly understandable he didn't go for it.
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