Official 2023 Australian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[honda_exige]

MustangGT said:

sparta6 said:

Bottas


Alonso, Leclerc or Russell for the 3rd step.

I see you are backing the driver who is behind in the WDC and has lost one position in each race this year over the driver who is ahead in the WDC and has gained 2 positions in each race this year?

Maybe a bit irrational? Or, perhaps your obvious dislike of Lewis means you will always say George?

Am I missing something or are you really being that touchy that he hasn't chosen your favoured driver?

Maybe not so irrational when you consider that given they each have 1 race result over the other he picked the driver that has had the superior qualifying in both races so far.

[thegreenhell]

Mark-C said:

Muzzer79 said:

Fundoreen said:

Honda have won 100% of the 2023 races this year and dont even get a mention.

That was their choice.

Pull official factory support and effectively become a silent partner and you won't get as much credit.

The engine is listed as a Honda, the drivers and car have Honda badging on and the official Constructors Championship shows "RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT" as leading ...

No different from when RBR used Renault engines. The only time they ever mentioned them was when they failed, but never gave credit when they won.

[honda_exige]

thegreenhell said:

Mark-C said:

Muzzer79 said:

Fundoreen said:

Honda have won 100% of the 2023 races this year and dont even get a mention.

That was their choice.

Pull official factory support and effectively become a silent partner and you won't get as much credit.

The engine is listed as a Honda, the drivers and car have Honda badging on and the official Constructors Championship shows "RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT" as leading ...

No different from when RBR used Renault engines. The only time they ever mentioned them was when they failed, but never gave credit when they won.

I remember Renault getting lots of credit during the blown exhaust era from RB.

Similarly, Honda got absolutely loads of credit during 2021 when they were works - they even had an entire white tribute livery if you recall, Honda engineers regularly sent to the podium etc.

[TheDeuce]

pablo said:

TheDeuce said:

thegreenhell said:

Muzzer79 said:

I still think Max is destined for Ferrari. Either they’ll hand him a blank cheque and ask him to fill in the numbers, Red Bull will drop the ball, he’ll get bored winning at Red Bull or a combination of all three.

I think he'll quit F1 when he gets bored at RB. He's already indicated that he's not in it for the long haul, and history has shown that Ferrari is a graveyard for drivers who think they can go there and reproduce the successes they've had elsewhere.

Speaking of which... Is Alonso the driver that has continued in F1 for the longest time after leaving Ferrari? It's been nearly ten years since he drove for them and he's still in the sport.



Most definitely either retire post Ferrari or go to another team and are played out after a few years one way or another. Has anyone else remained a decade later and still taking podiums?

Possibly Alboreto or Lauda?

I had to check, Lauda left the sport (as a driver) in 85, just six years after leaving Ferrari. Alboreto, left Ferrari in 88' and the sport in 94'.

Assuming (quite safely) Alonso is on the grid next season, he will have managed a full ten years. I think therefore he is the driver that has enjoyed the longest F1 career post driving for Ferrari.

This all means nothing other than it is possible to have a good career and remain competitive after departing (and falling out with) Ferrari, but it's rare. Max and others are fairly accurate when they describe Ferrari as the start of a drivers retirement/graveyard of F1 etc.. because that is what generally seems to happen.

Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 29th March 13:55

[entropy]

thegreenhell said:

Schumacher would have achieved nothing there without Todt, Brawn and Byrne building the team and the car for him, just as Mansell, Prost, Alesi, Vettel and Alonso failed, and Leclerc is also failing to achieve his potential. A driver is nothing without the right team and the right car.

When Schumi tested the '95 Ferrari he reckoned he could have won the championship with it. When he compared the 95 Benetton to the equivalent Ferrari he said the oversteer in the Ferrari was much more progressive on the limit than the Benetton.

[mat205125]

honda_exige said:

MustangGT said:

sparta6 said:

Bottas


Alonso, Leclerc or Russell for the 3rd step.

I see you are backing the driver who is behind in the WDC and has lost one position in each race this year over the driver who is ahead in the WDC and has gained 2 positions in each race this year?

Maybe a bit irrational? Or, perhaps your obvious dislike of Lewis means you will always say George?

Am I missing something or are you really being that touchy that he hasn't chosen your favoured driver?

Maybe not so irrational when you consider that given they each have 1 race result over the other he picked the driver that has had the superior qualifying in both races so far.

Don't counter stats with equally valid stats ...... This won't end well

[NRS]

TheDeuce said:

I had to check, Lauda left the sport (as a driver) in 85, just six years after leaving Ferrari. Alboreto, left Ferrari in 88' and the sport in 94'.

Assuming (quite safely) Alonso is on the grid next season, he will have managed a full ten years. I think therefore he is the driver that has enjoyed the longest F1 career post driving for Ferrari.

This all means nothing other than it is possible to have a good career and remain competitive after departing (and falling out with) Ferrari, but it's rare. Max and others are fairly accurate when they describe Ferrari as the start of a drivers retirement/graveyard of F1 etc.. because that is what generally seems to happen.

Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 29th March 13:55

How how many have had a career after a "top team" that is 10 years for example? It's happening now with a drop in the age people enter F1 and being able to push the other end too, but before you'd have a much shorter career. Your whole career was probably more typically around 10-15 years maximum. Start for a season or two at a backmarker team in mid-twenties, get promoted to a top team who is perhaps not Ferrari and so on - you'd not expect a long career after being at any decent team.

[TheDeuce]

NRS said:

TheDeuce said:

I had to check, Lauda left the sport (as a driver) in 85, just six years after leaving Ferrari. Alboreto, left Ferrari in 88' and the sport in 94'.

Assuming (quite safely) Alonso is on the grid next season, he will have managed a full ten years. I think therefore he is the driver that has enjoyed the longest F1 career post driving for Ferrari.

This all means nothing other than it is possible to have a good career and remain competitive after departing (and falling out with) Ferrari, but it's rare. Max and others are fairly accurate when they describe Ferrari as the start of a drivers retirement/graveyard of F1 etc.. because that is what generally seems to happen.

Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 29th March 13:55

How how many have had a career after a "top team" that is 10 years for example? It's happening now with a drop in the age people enter F1 and being able to push the other end too, but before you'd have a much shorter career. Your whole career was probably more typically around 10-15 years maximum. Start for a season or two at a backmarker team in mid-twenties, get promoted to a top team who is perhaps not Ferrari and so on - you'd not expect a long career after being at any decent team.

I would agree, were it not for the number of drivers RBR have hired and then dumped over the years - I guess Albon and Gasly both in with a shot of being in the sport ten years after RBR ejected them. And Lewis left McLaren a little over ten years ago, they were a top team at that time.

And what about Williams? I'm sure before they declined and were still considered a top team quite a few drivers must have been through those doors and then had a lengthy F1 career afterwards, simply because Williams used to have a very rapid turn around of drivers back then.

[anonymous-user]

mat205125 said:

honda_exige said:

MustangGT said:

sparta6 said:

Bottas


Alonso, Leclerc or Russell for the 3rd step.

I see you are backing the driver who is behind in the WDC and has lost one position in each race this year over the driver who is ahead in the WDC and has gained 2 positions in each race this year?

Maybe a bit irrational? Or, perhaps your obvious dislike of Lewis means you will always say George?

Am I missing something or are you really being that touchy that he hasn't chosen your favoured driver?

Maybe not so irrational when you consider that given they each have 1 race result over the other he picked the driver that has had the superior qualifying in both races so far.

Don't counter stats with equally valid stats ...... This won't end well

Stats are irrelevant really. they are at polar ends of their career, as much as Lewis wants to get a good result, George has to get a good result. he is the one with the majority of his career ahead of him, not behind him…

[MustangGT]

pablo said:

mat205125 said:

honda_exige said:

MustangGT said:

sparta6 said:

Bottas


Alonso, Leclerc or Russell for the 3rd step.

I see you are backing the driver who is behind in the WDC and has lost one position in each race this year over the driver who is ahead in the WDC and has gained 2 positions in each race this year?

Maybe a bit irrational? Or, perhaps your obvious dislike of Lewis means you will always say George?

Am I missing something or are you really being that touchy that he hasn't chosen your favoured driver?

Maybe not so irrational when you consider that given they each have 1 race result over the other he picked the driver that has had the superior qualifying in both races so far.

Don't counter stats with equally valid stats ...... This won't end well

Stats are irrelevant really. they are at polar ends of their career, as much as Lewis wants to get a good result, George has to get a good result. he is the one with the majority of his career ahead of him, not behind him…

Actually, I was merely calling out Sparta for his/her obvious dislike of Lewis. I know I should not respond to trolls, but, it is also interesting to see who else posts stuff.

[Fundoreen]

The amount of reference to the past in F1 is quite high. For every distant memory there are current similar incidents.
People bang on about Gilles V and his flat tyre episode (clarkson seems to think it was a biblical feat) but meanwhile alonso has brought a smashed car back to the pits then gone on to score points twice in recent seasons.

The legendary GV (one seemed like he didn't fancy a walk as he retired once back at the pit garage.
Didn't stop Murray wetting himself like its the greatest feat ever.

Obviously if you want to be amazed feel free and add the obligatory 'unlike todays namby pamby woke soft netball playing wkers'

https://youtu.be/gDz8I6rFxBw

[500TORQUES]

Fundoreen said:

The amount of reference to the past in F1 is quite high. For every distant memory there are current similar incidents.
People bang on about Gilles V and his flat tyre episode (clarkson seems to think it was a biblical feat) but meanwhile alonso has brought a smashed car back to the pits then gone on to score points twice in recent seasons.

The legendary GV (one seemed like he didn't fancy a walk as he retired once back at the pit garage.
Didn't stop Murray wetting himself like its the greatest feat ever.

Obviously if you want to be amazed feel free and add the obligatory 'unlike todays namby pamby woke soft netball playing wkers'

https://youtu.be/gDz8I6rFxBw

Suspension on modern F1 cars are hugely more capable of handling loads than in GV period. They were made out of pipe cleaners and cheese back then.

[Deesee]

Updated circuit map with the 4x DRS zones.



Only 2 detection points..

[anonymous-user]

MustangGT said:

Actually, I was merely calling out Sparta for his/her obvious dislike of Lewis. I know I should not respond to trolls, but, it is also interesting to see who else posts stuff.

I got that, but it’s best to leave them to it…

[Deesee]

RBR catering employee of the month Dec 21 is in the paddock.

[HighwayStar]

MustangGT said:

pablo said:

mat205125 said:

honda_exige said:

MustangGT said:

sparta6 said:

Bottas


Alonso, Leclerc or Russell for the 3rd step.

I see you are backing the driver who is behind in the WDC and has lost one position in each race this year over the driver who is ahead in the WDC and has gained 2 positions in each race this year?

Maybe a bit irrational? Or, perhaps your obvious dislike of Lewis means you will always say George?

Am I missing something or are you really being that touchy that he hasn't chosen your favoured driver?

Maybe not so irrational when you consider that given they each have 1 race result over the other he picked the driver that has had the superior qualifying in both races so far.

Don't counter stats with equally valid stats ...... This won't end well

Stats are irrelevant really. they are at polar ends of their career, as much as Lewis wants to get a good result, George has to get a good result. he is the one with the majority of his career ahead of him, not behind him…

Actually, I was merely calling out Sparta for his/her obvious dislike of Lewis. I know I should not respond to trolls, but, it is also interesting to see who else posts stuff.

It’s pointless getting into it with him… he really does GAF. It’s business as usual.

[Jasandjules]

At least I know I will only be watching Quali and the Race this weekend..... Not bothering to get up for the other stuff

[ajprice]

No more pitwall fence climbing celebrations https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-bans-f1-tea...

[Sandpit Steve]

ajprice said:

No more pitwall fence climbing celebrations https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-bans-f1-tea...

This is getting silly now. A change of leadership at the FIA and race control last year, was supposed to move on from the mess under Todt and Masi - but instead, the mess is still happening, but accompanied by over-zealous policing of the most minor and petty rules.

[anonymous-user]

Sandpit Steve said:

This is getting silly now. A change of leadership at the FIA and race control last year, was supposed to move on from the mess under Todt and Masi - but instead, the mess is still happening, but accompanied by over-zealous policing of the most minor and petty rules.

To be fair, this image shows the problem, 12 men leaning against that angled lattice is going to end in disaster eventually. Yes it’s designed to stop cars at 200 mph but it’s still a risk however unlikely and no one wants to see them fall onto the track