Official 2023 Australian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Yazza54]

entropy said:

Yazza54 said:

I don't think just removing the front one would provide any real benefit at all anyway, and the rear one is supposedly actually helping them follow eachother the way they are currently designed as it directs the airflow exiting the diffuser.

It's a shame, but I think it just is what it is, any cars relying on aero struggle like hell to follow eachother closely..

Even the sports racing cars I race which have a very small amount of downforce can massively wash out at the front end when closely following another car, so these high down force formula cars must be a nightmare to drive when following someone.

At the Saudi Arabian GP Carlos Said said the cars are becoming more difficult to follow and reckons there's more dirty air than last year. It could be Ferrari not good in dirty like Mercs were in the previous regs.

Fact is wings create drag and dirty air. Just look at how aero has affected the racing in MotoGP - it's made the racing worse and worse in the last couple of years.

Of course wings create drag and create dirty air, but modern F1 cars aren't ever gonna not have wings IMO, they are part of F1s identity and do more than just create downforce under the current regs, so it's a bit of a moot point. This conversation started off as DRS is bad they should just remove the wings, which is just daft. That's all.

Edited by Yazza54 on Wednesday 5th April 20:42

[vaud]

...And anything you do to F1, you would need to neuter the lower formulae as well - F1 has to remain the fastest formula (and by some margin)

[500TORQUES]

vaud said:

...And anything you do to F1, you would need to neuter the lower formulae as well - F1 has to remain the fastest formula (and by some margin)

There's been plenty of times when F1 was slower than other forms of racing.

[vaud]

500TORQUES said:

There's been plenty of times when F1 was slower than other forms of racing.

Sorry I meant it can't be slower than F2 and F3, I brain dumped too quickly.

[500TORQUES]

In the current incarnation of ownership, F1 is always going to be aero dominant and more than powerful enough to be the quickest thing on a circuit. Too much money at stake to dilute the kudos.

[Stealthracer]

As I'm always saying, it doesn't matter what you're talking about, the minute the money men move in, it's ruined.

Unfortunately in F1 this happened a long time ago, when somebody realised they could go racing and get others to pay for it.

[carlo996]

500TORQUES said:

There's been plenty of times when F1 was slower than other forms of racing.

Still slower than Indicar IIRC, which I think is still in rude health, has nowhere near the BS and a bigger grid. F1 is basically meet and greet marketing…for billionaires.

And. Are we really discussing removing aero because one team has done a much better job This is allegedly the pinnacle of motorsport

[vaud]

carlo996 said:

Still slower than Indicar IIRC, which I think is still in rude health, has nowhere near the BS and a bigger grid. F1 is basically meet and greet marketing…for billionaires.

And. Are we really discussing removing aero because one team has done a much better job This is allegedly the pinnacle of motorsport

Indycars have a higher top speed but slower than F1 around anything other than an oval.

[thegreenhell]

vaud said:

carlo996 said:

Still slower than Indicar IIRC, which I think is still in rude health, has nowhere near the BS and a bigger grid. F1 is basically meet and greet marketing…for billionaires.

And. Are we really discussing removing aero because one team has done a much better job This is allegedly the pinnacle of motorsport

Indycars have a higher top speed but slower than F1 around anything other than an oval.

12 seconds slower than F1 around COTA, the last time they raced the same circuit in a season. Even LMP1 were faster than Indycars around there.

[TikTak]

thegreenhell said:

vaud said:

carlo996 said:

Still slower than Indicar IIRC, which I think is still in rude health, has nowhere near the BS and a bigger grid. F1 is basically meet and greet marketing…for billionaires.

And. Are we really discussing removing aero because one team has done a much better job This is allegedly the pinnacle of motorsport

Indycars have a higher top speed but slower than F1 around anything other than an oval.

12 seconds slower than F1 around COTA, the last time they raced the same circuit in a season. Even LMP1 were faster than Indycars around there.

Knew someone would beat me to it. Pretty good article on the theory etc of it here:

https://www.autosport.com/general/news/solving-the...

Obviously the only true way to do it is get the cars on the same circuit, but as we know, that's incredibly unlikely.

[LukeSi]

Keep DRS but have it so it only works outside of a 1 second gap. Inside no drs.

[Niponeoff]

LukeSi said:

Keep DRS but have it so it only works outside of a 1 second gap. Inside no drs.

We already have a DRS train phenomenon. Now you want one for everyone!

[Murghee]

I rather have a red flag then waste 10 laps behind a safety car

Also standing starts are the best i mean the most excitement is the starts.

But i do think they shouldnt let the team change tyres if your not losing any time then its not a pitstop.

[Murghee]

Drs should only be allowed for anyone who is not in a points position so 11th to 20th

With drs drivers just wait until the drs zone and overtake i mean we hardly see overtaking attempts anywhere else

Or let teams choose they either have a drs gap in the rear wing all race so brilliant for straights terrible for corners or teams can have it closed all race

4 drs zones is just mental

[Murghee]

moffspeed said:

Cars the size of a Range Rover and nearly a third of the circuits on the F1 calendar this year being street/temporary ( Las Vegas - do we really need it after already adding anonymous Miami ? ) Opportunities to recover crashed/failed cars without interrupting a race are minimal.

After spending the last few weeks looking at concrete walls and countless red/yellow flags I yearn for the sight of a proper F1 circuit so I guess that will be Rd6, Imola in May. Fast,open circuits are what we need, Silverstone is just over 3 months away….

Still sad malaysian gp went away that was allright...is portugal on the calender? So many new tracks i cant remember

I do agree we need the big open circuts these street circuts are rubbish

[vulture1]

Murghee said:

moffspeed said:

Cars the size of a Range Rover and nearly a third of the circuits on the F1 calendar this year being street/temporary ( Las Vegas - do we really need it after already adding anonymous Miami ? ) Opportunities to recover crashed/failed cars without interrupting a race are minimal.

After spending the last few weeks looking at concrete walls and countless red/yellow flags I yearn for the sight of a proper F1 circuit so I guess that will be Rd6, Imola in May. Fast,open circuits are what we need, Silverstone is just over 3 months away….

Still sad malaysian gp went away that was allright...is portugal on the calender? So many new tracks i cant remember

I do agree we need the big open circuts these street circuts are rubbish

Should make the cars 10% smaller next big change. I know they were made bigger for fuel but it is rediculus now.

[500TORQUES]

vulture1 said:

Should make the cars 10% smaller next big change. I know they were made bigger for fuel but it is rediculus now.

They were not made bigger for fuel.

[cuprabob]

vulture1 said:

Should make the cars 10% smaller next big change. I know they were made bigger for fuel but it is rediculus now.

Just stand further away

[Sandpit Steve]

Ferrari have submitted a Petition for Review to the FIA, over Sainz’s penalty for causing a collision on Lap 57.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12851535/c...

Haas also said to be considering an appeal, over the handling of their petition on the day.

[Niponeoff]

Murghee said:

moffspeed said:

Cars the size of a Range Rover and nearly a third of the circuits on the F1 calendar this year being street/temporary ( Las Vegas - do we really need it after already adding anonymous Miami ? ) Opportunities to recover crashed/failed cars without interrupting a race are minimal.

After spending the last few weeks looking at concrete walls and countless red/yellow flags I yearn for the sight of a proper F1 circuit so I guess that will be Rd6, Imola in May. Fast,open circuits are what we need, Silverstone is just over 3 months away….

Still sad malaysian gp went away that was allright...is portugal on the calender? So many new tracks i cant remember

I do agree we need the big open circuts these street circuts are rubbish

Malaysia and China were both great tracks.

Then again, Canada is also pretty good and that's considered a street circuit.