The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*

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vaud

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50,607 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th March
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Forester1965 said:
Bearman is being way over-hyped. His double F4 season notwithstanding, he's been fairly unremarkable in single seaters so far, perhaps marked out for getting himself into needless penalties trouble. Last year he was well beaten by his team mate.
So what do Ferrari see in him? They have far more data that us in selecting drivers.

Forester1965

1,538 posts

4 months

Sunday 10th March
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Availability at incredibly short notice and more data to assess him.

Not arguing he's no good, I'm arguing he did a solid but unremarkable job, which seems to match his career so far. It didn't justify the level of fawning from some.

carl_w

9,195 posts

259 months

Sunday 10th March
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andburg said:
Agreed, my yard stick is always the first year in f2. If a driver can win or challenge for the title against another f2 rookie they might just be f1 quality
Pulling Bearman out of the F2 race won't help his title chances.

I reckon Bearman -> Haas (maybe replacing KMag) and then to Ferrari when Lewis retires.

vaud

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50,607 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th March
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Forester1965 said:
Availability at incredibly short notice and more data to assess him.

Not arguing he's no good, I'm arguing he did a solid but unremarkable job, which seems to match his career so far. It didn't justify the level of fawning from some.
I think he did a remarkable job having only had one FP session, but would like to see a full race weekend or two to make a better judgement.

Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?

PRO 5T

3,969 posts

26 months

Sunday 10th March
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He passed three established, quick drivers on a hard track to pass on-he did well.

Forester1965

1,538 posts

4 months

Sunday 10th March
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vaud said:
I think he did a remarkable job having only had one FP session, but would like to see a full race weekend or two to make a better judgement.

Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
Remarkable is a bit strong.

He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.

It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.

vaud

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50,607 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th March
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Forester1965 said:
Remarkable is a bit strong.

He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.

It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.
I'm not trying to persuade you, just sharing opinion. smile

andburg

7,296 posts

170 months

Sunday 10th March
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carl_w said:
andburg said:
Agreed, my yard stick is always the first year in f2. If a driver can win or challenge for the title against another f2 rookie they might just be f1 quality
Pulling Bearman out of the F2 race won't help his title chances.

I reckon Bearman -> Haas (maybe replacing KMag) and then to Ferrari when Lewis retires.
Not his first year there anyway

Byker28i

60,154 posts

218 months

Sunday 10th March
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Forester1965 said:
vaud said:
I think he did a remarkable job having only had one FP session, but would like to see a full race weekend or two to make a better judgement.

Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
Remarkable is a bit strong.

He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.

It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.
You've just been googling the results rather than actually seeing the racing? He's 18, dropped into a Ferrari with all the pressure at the last minute, had no time in FP3 and still managed overtakes against more experienced people, learnt from Hulkenberg, finished 4 places up through driving. Seized his opportunity very well

Good to see a new young british driver coming through

Leithen

10,937 posts

268 months

Sunday 10th March
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The respect given by Verstappen, Hamilton, Russell etc says all that needs to be said about how well Bearman did. Nasty track to step into a car you've only ever driven in sim. Passed his first proper F1 test with flying colours.

PRO 5T

3,969 posts

26 months

Sunday 10th March
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Leithen said:
The respect given by Verstappen, Hamilton, Russell etc says all that needs to be said about how well Bearman did. Nasty track to step into a car you've only ever driven in sim. Passed his first proper F1 test with flying colours.
Absolutely.

As a father it wasn’t hard to live the nerves with his dad as well and that was just FP3 and Qually. His balls to the walls flat out first laps were an absolute joy to watch on a track that’s (as many of us have already said) is an accident waiting to happen.

asfault

12,231 posts

180 months

Sunday 10th March
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Good solid result and not sticking it in the wall. Softs worked well for him early so he had a tyre advantage to use to offset loss of knowledge compared to others.
As said before he is an experienced driver just the car changed ( yes big change) you could probably pop any of the top f2 drivers who are into their second f2 season into an f1 car and get an OK result. Remember also the ferrari is probably the second best car so far do that helps as well.

Mr Tidy

22,421 posts

128 months

Sunday 10th March
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Leithen said:
The respect given by Verstappen, Hamilton, Russell etc says all that needs to be said about how well Bearman did. Nasty track to step into a car you've only ever driven in sim. Passed his first proper F1 test with flying colours.
I think that says a lot because they know it's a tough circuit - I was impressed!

thegreenhell

15,408 posts

220 months

Wednesday 13th March
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Verstappen to Aston Martin?

Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...

Likes Fast Cars

2,772 posts

166 months

Thursday 14th March
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thegreenhell said:
Verstappen to Aston Martin?

Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
The Vertsappen Sr / Stroll dynamic ….that will generate some new headlines for a while!

WPA

8,843 posts

115 months

Thursday 14th March
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thegreenhell said:
Verstappen to Aston Martin?

Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
Staying with Honda makes sense and at least he gets a good teammate with Lance laugh

braddo

10,522 posts

189 months

Friday 15th March
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thegreenhell said:
Verstappen to Aston Martin?

Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.

From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.

thegreenhell

15,408 posts

220 months

Friday 15th March
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braddo said:
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.

From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
The driver is just a temporary contractor with no vested interest beyond their own personal success. You'd choose a driver who'll be gone in a couple of years regardless over the manager who built and ran the team for nearly twenty years? That's madness.

Red Bull have won races and championships with other drivers before Verstappen and will win again with others after he's gone, but only one person has ever run the team.

MartG

20,694 posts

205 months

Friday 15th March
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thegreenhell said:
braddo said:
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.

From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
The driver is just a temporary contractor with no vested interest beyond their own personal success. You'd choose a driver who'll be gone in a couple of years regardless over the manager who built and ran the team for nearly twenty years? That's madness.

Red Bull have won races and championships with other drivers before Verstappen and will win again with others after he's gone, but only one person has ever run the team.
Exactly

There are several drivers you could put in that car and they'd win with it

Muzzer79

10,046 posts

188 months

Friday 15th March
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thegreenhell said:
braddo said:
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.

From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
The driver is just a temporary contractor with no vested interest beyond their own personal success. You'd choose a driver who'll be gone in a couple of years regardless over the manager who built and ran the team for nearly twenty years? That's madness.
I am by no means Horner's biggest fan, but I have to agree with this.

No driver is bigger than the team. Verstappen will be gone in a couple of years, regardless of whether Horner stays or goes.

From a longer term performance perspective, Red Bull would be mad to let Horner go.